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PlanePhlyer    32
1 hour ago, matmacwc said:

White jets was a terrible deal, I couldn't leave fast enough.

We love it, so I guess...to each their own 

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xaarman    112
2 hours ago, matmacwc said:

White jets was a terrible deal, I couldn't leave fast enough.

Disagree. Had the time of my life talking about my favorite subject all day to super motivated students, flying 3-5 times a week, going all over the United States. I'm disappointed I left earlier then planned. 

As said above, to each their own.

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brabus    519

Is it just because the numbers are so low, or has it always been considered not great orders?

manning is low in the CAF, so a lot of fighter slots on the VML with only an occasional white jet. Your average and and above guys aren't going to that one off 38 slot. But timing is everything and I don't believe this was the case prior to around 2012. And it won't be the case again in the future. Doesn't mean guys at UPT are bad dudes or pilots, but that's the reality for now. So, you can imagine how some will not admit that reality and instead talk about how they got screwed, the fighter world sucks, etc.  

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VMFA187    79
13 hours ago, euser said:

I'm not sure of the workings behind that decision, but it seems odd that a training squadron is where they'd send the lower performers. I grew up Navy and many of my family/friends are Navy pilots, and from what I've gathered from them its typically the top guys going to the RAG/training squadrons for their shore duty. Is it just because the numbers are so low, or has it always been considered not great orders?

The RAG and VTs are different in terms of follow-on orders in the Navy/USMC. Lower performers, i.e., dudes who leave their first fleet tour without their four-ship flight lead qualification can't teach at the RAG, they can only teach at the VTs in T-6s and T-45s which is why they end up there. Now I don't know personally, but I'd imagine the Air Force isn't sending it's below average dudes to teach brand new F-15/16/22/35 pilots, those guys are probably teaching in T-6s.

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Duck    852
The RAG and VTs are different in terms of follow-on orders in the Navy/USMC. Lower performers, i.e., dudes who leave their first fleet tour without their four-ship flight lead qualification can't teach at the RAG, they can only teach at the VTs in T-6s and T-45s which is why they end up there. Now I don't know personally, but I'd imagine the Air Force isn't sending it's below average dudes to teach brand new F-15/16/22/35 pilots, those guys are probably teaching in T-6s.

You would like to think that but right now the last AD remnant of 11Fs are leaving/retiring out of T-6s and even more heavy guys are heading to T-38s. 11Fs are getting orders shut off if they are slotted to be a T-6 guy.


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matmacwc    1,093
13 hours ago, PlanePhlyer said:

We love it, so I guess...to each their own 

Totally true, I felt taken out of the fight to go to TP stalls and slow flight, hated it.  They weren't much doing 3 ops assignments in a row back then.  The trip turning in the Del Rio sun didn't help either.

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Brick    5

KCBM 17-07

T-38s
TBD (Saudi AF)
F-16
F-16
F-16
A-10
F-15C
C-130

T-1s
KC-135 (ANG)
KC-135 (ANG)
C-17 (ANG)
C-130 (ANG)
KC-135
KC-135
U-28
KC-10
CV-22
T-1 FAIP
HC-130J
C-17
AC-130J

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caseylf    4
That's unfortunate this picture was painted for you.  Recognize you're likely talking to some very jaded fighter pilots at a UPT base who feel screwed over because they're one of the few 11Fs at UPT while a large portion of their bros are still raging in fighters on their 2nd or 3rd CAF assignment (and there certainly is valid reason for why that is) . I recommend you take their views with a very large grain of salt.  I also say this as a warning to any other UPT studs or prospective ones out there reading this.
That said, realize a few things you described above (high deployment rate, getting shafted by the AD, etc.) is common across all aircraft.  The fighter or heavy worlds do not have that market cornered...the AD will everyone over equally for the most part.  FWIW, my heavy friends have spent significantly more time away from home than I have...as a general statement.  They may not do as many 6 month deployments, but they're routinely on the road 200+ days/yr.  Maybe that's not true every single year over the past decade, but it certainly is true for a large chunk of that period...at least amongst some friends I keep in touch with who fly anything from -17s to KC-10s.  Of course basing, timing, etc. all drive flexing in said numbers, but the point is I am home more as a fighter guy on average than my peers in several other communities.
Lastly, the lifestyle/job is ing awesome, and that's why I'm going to continue to do it.  The AD is the problem and what makes life/work suck, it has nothing to do with community type.  In my opinion of course.


Is working 12-14 hours 6 days a week really being home?

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Danger41    322

I've never understood the "getting talked out of fighters" thing. Am I wrong in assuming most dudes that want to fly airplane X have dreamt about that for a decade+? I can't fathom one guy souring that long term of a dream in Phase 2.

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Inertia17    39

KDLF 17-07

T-38

3 x F-16

F-35

F-15E

T-38 FAIP

T-1

U-28

T-6 FAIP

C-17

KC-135

KC-10

C-146

Plus some guard and a couple others I missed. Very solid drop. 

 

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Thor    5
4 minutes ago, Inertia17 said:

C-146

I didn't realize they dropped these at UPT... that's sick. I always figured that was one you had to switch into.

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hispeed7721    307
I didn't realize they dropped these at UPT... that's sick. I always figured that was one you had to switch into.


Almost all AFSOC MWS' used to require prior time before assignment but since 2000-something they've been dropped out of UPT. There are still a handful of data masked MWS' that require prior assignments though


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brabus    519
9 hours ago, caseylf said:

 


Is working 12-14 hours 6 days a week really being home?

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Well for one, there's some time management problems lurking in your statement, but that aside, do you think non-fighter communities work 40 hr weeks? I have a lot of friends in a lot of different corners of military aviation and I will never blow smoke up their ass saying I work more; it's just different.  I think you're being sold a bag of bullshit if you think flying other platforms in the AF will lend you a leisurely life style.  I will say my flying job is more difficult, perhaps even more stressful at times, than some, but that doesn't mean those others are working less hard to do an important mission (and spending inordinate amount of time doing additional duties, etc. that suck your time regardless of what wings you wear or what you fly).

Bottom line, a UPT dude should pull for the mission he wants to do, not for a "life style."  Maybe those two are related to an extent, but the mission piece is more important.  Trying to pick a track or aircraft based on "being home more," or "not working X hrs per week," will only result in disappointment and possibly regret.

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12xu2a3x3    24

after reading this thread for about a decade i finally went to my first drop night. reading back through the drop i remember the individual assignments but respect to anyone who can be there and simply remember them all. maybe it's a learned skill, we'll see.

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Toro    577
after reading this thread for about a decade i finally went to my first drop night. reading back through the drop i remember the individual assignments but respect to anyone who can be there and simply remember them all. maybe it's a learned skill, we'll see.

I was going to give you shit, but between your icon and user name I can only give you props and assume that alcohol influenced your post. So two thumbs up, and I'll have what you're drinking.
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Inertia17    39
19 minutes ago, Spaceballs said:

Does anyone know Vance's drop?

With no beer at official functions, I am guessing no one was there to see it...

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FishBowl    54
2 minutes ago, Inertia17 said:

With no beer at official functions, I am guessing no one was there to see it...

2sober2remember

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12xu2a3x3    24

there was beer for studs at vance drop

from what i remember

END 17-07

F-35 (fake out w/ F-16)

F-16 x3

F-15E

A-10

C-146

U-28

EC-130 Compass Call

T-6 FAIP x2

C-130 x2 (Guard)

C-17 to Hickam (T-1 FAIP fakeout) (maybe a second)

KC-135

KC-10 to Mcguire

KC-10 to Travis

Saudi Eurofighters x2

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sqwatch    404

Bottom line, a UPT dude should pull for the mission he wants to do, not for a "life style."  Maybe those two are related to an extent, but the mission piece is more important.  Trying to pick a track or aircraft based on "being home more," or "not working X hrs per week," will only result in disappointment and possibly regret.

This.

There is no better feeling than dropping bombs on bad guys. It was worth the hard work and occasional bullshit.


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ARAMP1    120
On 3/23/2017 at 9:25 PM, matmacwc said:

White jets was a terrible deal, I couldn't leave fast enough.

You obviously didn't do your white jet tour at KNSE...best kept secret in the AF.

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