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So, a recent Sheppard and IFF grad I know is being told he will be hanging out in the T-38 IFF squadron for 2-3 years to get an RTU slot for the F-22 he dropped on drop night.  How is my question false?

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3 hours ago, MooseAg03 said:

 


This may be the wing planning for the worst, according to the AFPC RPA assignments guy, there will be no more crossflows or UPT directs unless something changes like a huge increase in CAPs.


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...or for the coming exodus of 18X folks in the next couple of years. Buddy of mine at Cannon said nearly all of the ones he knows plan to bail after their 6 years.

I do hope that I'm wrong, but I don't see a crossflow/UPT-direct ever truly going away, unfortunately (although we may be lucky enough to see them stop, for short periods at a time).

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35 minutes ago, WheelsOff said:

...or for the coming exodus of 18X folks in the next couple of years. Buddy of mine at Cannon said nearly all of the ones he knows plan to bail after their 6 years.

When did 18X start?  

Edit:  Nevermind... fine, I googled it.  Jan 2012.  T-minus 1.5 years or so until the sky falls in that community, too.

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...or for the coming exodus of 18X folks in the next couple of years. Buddy of mine at Cannon said nearly all of the ones he knows plan to bail after their 6 years.

I do hope that I'm wrong, but I don't see a crossflow/UPT-direct ever truly going away, unfortunately (although we may be lucky enough to see them stop, for short periods at a time).

True, they have no idea what percentage of retention they should plan for, I've asked them three times and gotten no answer as to what they're planning for. Dropping an RPA on this VML makes no sense to backfill a shortage that might happen in 2 years. URT and Holloman have ramped up production significantly, and some of us are being let go back into cockpits. I have a small bit of optimism that the next VML might see me escape RPAs. If not, add one more loss to the pilot exodus.

Not only will 18Xs be a problem in a few years, they aren't even thinking about Sensor Operator retention right now.

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I can't tell you what will happen either. Guineapig has ample reason to fear the worse. That being said, at a recent professional development day off from droning (read drinking and smoking cigars) the newer 18xers seemed quite content to continue to stay in the career field. Hopefully that echoes true for the foreseeable future. I'm done though. Peace Creech.

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no offense but the drone bubbas that we've gotten to our squadron have ing sucked at flying and attitude  


Empirical examples?

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Well, he said "no offense" which lies somewhere between "with all due respect" and academic non-attribution.
Sounds legit.

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1 hour ago, BashiChuni said:

no offense but the drone bubbas that we've gotten to our squadron have ing sucked at flying and attitude  

I hope they were crushed by IPs on gradesheets and bros over a beer accordingly. I have no intention of rolling in to any flying squadron pretending my drone hours mean anything. Just happy to be going there dude.

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Flying is a perishable skill. I know of Majs and Lt Cols who have washed out of PIT. When we look at their history, due to school, staff, AOC at the Academy, etc... In one case a dude hadn't flown a powered A/C in over 10 years. Now you take a dude with 200 hours who went UPT-RPA and I get it from an IP perspective.

As far as the attitude, if it is being pissed off at the AF for their grossly negligent personnel management... Got it, right there with you. If it is a woe as me, I don't deserve this, this flying sucks, I wish I was XYZ, then I have little sympathy really.

Just my perspective.

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On 9/5/2016 at 8:57 PM, Switch408 said:

I hope they were crushed by IPs on gradesheets and bros over a beer accordingly. I have no intention of rolling in to any flying squadron pretending my drone hours mean anything. Just happy to be going there dude.

in progress for the crushing...

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I hope they were crushed by IPs on gradesheets and bros over a beer accordingly. I have no intention of rolling in to any flying squadron pretending my drone hours mean anything. Just happy to be going there dude.



To be sure, drones stunted my my professional growth. However, when I was fortunate enough to go down range in the mighty viper after my stint in the black hole, the 1400 hours I spent watching Hajis through the Robot one-eye had some very transferable skill sets. I knew the capes of the droids which came in very handy while strike planning on the fly with the Jtac/Droid operator in dynamic situations. Also, when you watch the bad guy for the amount of time I did/ you have, you gain an intuition about bad-guy behaviors and can sift through the chaff of a civilian tending his goats vs ISIS trying to camo an arty piece in a water truck. Be grateful to return/go to a manned platform, but once you gain some experience in your new airframe, don't be afraid to share your experiences.

BL, don't sell yourself short and good luck.


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21 minutes ago, flyingdutchman said:

On drop night at UPT, do students find out their first base along with their aircraft assignment, or do they find out their base assignment during/after FTU? 

In the middle of FTU.

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It depends.  Every heavies assignment I ever saw drop came with a base attached.  The fighter guys usually saw their aircraft with the base as the FTU location.  I'll caveat that I haven't been to an assignment night since late 2008.

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2 hours ago, flyingdutchman said:

On drop night at UPT, do students find out their first base along with their aircraft assignment, or do they find out their base assignment during/after FTU? 

AFPC does not know where they are going to send you until about half way through FTU like Jaded said. When you have almost another year till you arrive to your first CAF assignment, that is many VMLs away and AFPC has not been known to plan that far into the future well.

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2 hours ago, flyingdutchman said:

On drop night at UPT, do students find out their first base along with their aircraft assignment, or do they find out their base assignment during/after FTU? 

MAF school houses are much shorter than CAF school houses.  Some -- like the KC-10 -- are in-house at their respective bases.  MAF co-pilot courses are typically a TDY enroute to a PCS which is why MAF assignments typically come with bases attached.  Yes, the C-130 school house is typically a PCS -- just barely.  CAF courses are a PCS where you find out your first operational base sometime during your B-course.

As for the FAIPs, well... 

HOW ABOUT THAT EN 16-08 DROP LAST WEEK... ANYBODY?!

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On drop night at UPT, do students find out their first base along with their aircraft assignment, or do they find out their base assignment during/after FTU? 


AFAIK, every non-CAF assignment will have the post-FTU location on drop night

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2 are going to ENJJPT


That's weird. Is there excess Phase III capacity at SPS? Under producing Phase II?
Regardless, I'd bet it's a welcome upgrade for the lucky two (Enid to WF).


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That's weird. Is there excess Phase III capacity at SPS? Under producing Phase II?

Regardless, I'd bet it's a welcome upgrade for the lucky two (Enid to WF).

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It's all three UPT bases sending people. There were a total of 6 sent last time. SPS has "excess capacity" in phase three. Don't not the root cause though.

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