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On 7/1/2019 at 5:50 PM, Excellius said:

Any more words on this list?  I hear rumblings too about squadron leadership having it, but seems that mine is not as of yet releasing information to those specific people.  Other SQ/CC's have made their people aware.

Wing execs here have the “non select list,” but not the actual list just yet.  As mentioned before, they want to make sure they inform the non selectees prior to the selectees.  

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6 hours ago, Notarobot said:

If my CC has it then he has a great poker face. I had assumed good news would come before the long weekend and bad news after but they legitimately might not know anything yet. 

My guess is the last thing they need going into a long weekend is to set folks up to celebrate or drown themselves in Jack-Daniels-flavored sorrow for four straight unaccountable days. That’s how OPREPs get generated...

So Monday at the latest, one way or the other.

Chuck

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Well, got the WG list here both selects and non selects.  Unfortunately, I was IPZ non select.  Expected it of sorts, but still a bit disappointed.  SQ/CC still hasn’t told me yet directly.

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2 hours ago, Excellius said:

Well, got the WG list here both selects and non selects.  Unfortunately, I was IPZ non select.  Expected it of sorts, but still a bit disappointed.  SQ/CC still hasn’t told me yet directly.

Sorry bud.  Don't let the Air Force promotion system define your worth as a person or an officer.  Take the long weekend and reset.  Obviously you'll have some disappointment to work through, but don't stay in that disappointed mindset forever.

Again, sorry bud.  We're here for you if you need us.

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2 hours ago, Excellius said:

Well, got the WG list here both selects and non selects.  Unfortunately, I was IPZ non select.  Expected it of sorts, but still a bit disappointed.  SQ/CC still hasn’t told me yet directly.

Sorry man.   Never fails, not seeing your name on the right list always stings even if you somewhat expect it.   Don’t worry, when you leave the Air Force, whenever that is, none of your friends or family will give a shit what rank you were.   Be proud of your service.  

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Sorry bud.  Don't let the Air Force promotion system define your worth as a person or an officer.  Take the long weekend and reset.  Obviously you'll have some disappointment to work through, but don't stay in that disappointed mindset forever.
Again, sorry bud.  We're here for you if you need us.

A yuge “2” on this, and a slight modification if you’d permit me:

Don’t let the USAF in any way define your worth as a person. Ever.

It’s a f—king job. Period. As much patriotism and pageantry as they try to attach to it...it’s still only a job. Promotion boards are a question on politics, luck, and timing. Two out of three usually required to pass through the gate.

There are other jobs available that only have one basic requirement for progression-the date you were hired.

I’m not advocating feeling sorry for yourself dude or dudette. The company just told you officially where you’re going. Now it’s time to take that information and move forward. Best of luck.
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It hurts; it's insulting; it's nothing personal to them, but it is to you.

Big Blue simply doesn't care.

So you shouldn't anymore.  Take care of anyone that works for you, but anyone above you that wants something above and beyond whatever the daily job is, not so much.

If you can look at yourself in the mirror and be good with how you performed while you wore the uniform, the fcuk 'em.

Be prepared for the system to cast you out immediately and some 'bros' to avoid you.  Maybe because they don't know what to say but more likely they now view you as unclean, they made it why didn't you?.  Fcuk 'em.

Look at some folks who did get promoted during your time and you wondered "Da fuq?" 

And the same for folks who didn't that you knew were solid officers in the job.

You served your country; you stood up and raised your right hand, not many can say that in the big outside world.

Have a whisky, rub some dirt on it, then get out and make some bucks in the outside.

Sorry.

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Be prepared for the system to cast you out immediately and some 'bros' to avoid you.  Maybe because they don't know what to say but more likely they now view you as unclean, they made it why didn't you?


WTF? Who are these people?? You should in no way, shape, or form expect anything like that! Anyone with any kind of viewpoint even remotely similar to this needs to be anonymously set on fire.

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It’s a f—king job. Period. As much patriotism and pageantry as they try to attach to it...it’s still only a job.


Well that about sums up our problem right there. Just so much of this perspective these days. That’s what endless war without clear military objective will buy you. Sad to think leaders are just trying to attach patriotism to “it”.

Bloody hell we are so ed up,
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21 hours ago, Excellius said:

Well, got the WG list here both selects and non selects.  Unfortunately, I was IPZ non select.  Expected it of sorts, but still a bit disappointed.  SQ/CC still hasn’t told me yet directly.

Sorry to hear that; that was me two years ago, and me again last year. It forced me to make some career choice changes that I hadn’t planned on making for another 4-5 years. But I made the changes, jumped in the reserves and got a sweet civy job. This year my reserve PRF came back with a DP, oh and they didn’t reclaim any of my  bonus and I got a big severance check to get out.

Getting passed over sucks.

But it opens other doors and opportunities. 

And there are people out here that still want you, need you, and value your contributions.

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22 hours ago, Excellius said:

Well, got the WG list here both selects and non selects.  Unfortunately, I was IPZ non select.  Expected it of sorts, but still a bit disappointed.  SQ/CC still hasn’t told me yet directly.

So sorry bro! This was me last year although I didn't see it coming at all! I spent about 6 months stuck between denial and anger, got scrolled, started taking to some reserve units and have a few backup plans in place for my 98% chance at getting passed over APZ. (Still waiting to hear anything official) I highly recommend scheduling feedback counseling with AFPC once you get your non select letter, it gave me some pointers for this year as well as a little closure. Hang in there

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1 hour ago, Ash said:

 jumped in the reserves... and I got a big severance check

You may be aware, but if you retire from the reserves you don’t get any retirement pay until you ‘pay back’ the severance. Usually means two-ish years without a retirement paycheck.

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23 hours ago, Excellius said:

Well, got the WG list here both selects and non selects.  Unfortunately, I was IPZ non select.  Expected it of sorts, but still a bit disappointed.  SQ/CC still hasn’t told me yet directly.

I was in your shoes a long time ago.  Worked my ass off, played the game and filled all the squares and yet still got hosed.  Left active duty and got hired by the Reserves full time.  A couple years later, got hired at an airline.  The month of May was only 8 days working and a pretty decent paycheck but 11 days a month working and a nice paycheck are more typical.  Your skills are in demand but just not appreciated or valued by your current employer. 

I received a separation bonus (got paid to stay in and fly and paid to get out at the same time, go figure) and will have to pay that back since I retired from the Reserves but I look at it as a interest free loan which was put to good use.  Having the medical coverage is also a big deal.  Non-military guys are looking at paying for medical coverage to the tune of $1.2 to $2K per person if they retire prior to 65.

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On 7/3/2019 at 11:31 AM, Excellius said:

Well, got the WG list here both selects and non selects.  Unfortunately, I was IPZ non select.  Expected it of sorts, but still a bit disappointed.  SQ/CC still hasn’t told me yet directly.

I was in those shoes two years ago and am expecting to get my third “sorry, not sorry” notification when I get back from leave.  It’s a huge hit to the ego realizing the AF thinks you’re in the bottom 20% but once you get past that it’s actually damn liberating.  I don’t know what your aspirations were and if squadron command and greater was one of those, it does suck but there are positives if you remain on AD.  No more will you have to worry about an award packet or accepting that next awful job or deployment “because it would look good to your board.”  With no incentive of moving up you also have no incentive to work endless office hours or on your days off to make some asinine deadline.  Focus on yourself now, take a class or learn something new, take full advantage of hitting the gym during duty hours and spend time with your family outside of those duty hours.  Look for jobs that interest you both while on AD and those that may pad your future resume.  

TL; DR:  It sucks, but now that the AF stops caring about your career, you do you.

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I got passed over for O-5 last year IPZ. It’s definitely a kick in the nutz. It took some time working through the 5 stages of grief. I got my ATP and rushed a couple units and put in Palace Chase paperwork (which I found out got denied yesterday due to MDS manning BTW - I’m a KC-135 pilot who took the bonus to 20 years FWIW). Based on SAF PC’s denial rationale I’m expecting continuation but I’m ready for non-continuation or to deny continuation as I have a guard unit interested in hiring me if I choose. You definitely will have options if you spend some time looking at what’s out there. If you decide to stay in a pass over major who’s been continued does have some perks. 

 

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You may be aware, but if you retire from the reserves you don’t get any retirement pay until you ‘pay back’ the severance. Usually means two-ish years without a retirement paycheck.

Pro tip: Get a VA disability rating if you have anything to claim and you’ll start paying down your debt immediately and be done with it well prior to receiving reserve retirement pay.


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53 minutes ago, Lifer said:

I got passed over for O-5 last year IPZ. It’s definitely a kick in the nutz. It took some time working through the 5 stages of grief. I got my ATP and rushed a couple units and put in Palace Chase paperwork (which I found out got denied yesterday due to MDS manning BTW - I’m a KC-135 pilot who took the bonus to 20 years FWIW). Based on SAF PC’s denial rationale I’m expecting continuation but I’m ready for non-continuation or to deny continuation as I have a guard unit interested in hiring me if I choose. You definitely will have options if you spend some time looking at what’s out there. If you decide to stay in a pass over major who’s been continued does have some perks. 

 

Last known data was 6 mo was the timeframe SAF PC was willing to accept. Has that changed?

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11 hours ago, Lifer said:

I got passed over for O-5 last year IPZ. It’s definitely a kick in the nutz. It took some time working through the 5 stages of grief. I got my ATP and rushed a couple units and put in Palace Chase paperwork (which I found out got denied yesterday due to MDS manning BTW - I’m a KC-135 pilot who took the bonus to 20 years FWIW). Based on SAF PC’s denial rationale I’m expecting continuation but I’m ready for non-continuation or to deny continuation as I have a guard unit interested in hiring me if I choose. You definitely will have options if you spend some time looking at what’s out there. If you decide to stay in a pass over major who’s been continued does have some perks. 

 

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17 hours ago, Notarobot said:

So sorry bro! This was me last year although I didn't see it coming at all! I spent about 6 months stuck between denial and anger, got scrolled, started taking to some reserve units and have a few backup plans in place for my 98% chance at getting passed over APZ. (Still waiting to hear anything official) I highly recommend scheduling feedback counseling with AFPC once you get your non select letter, it gave me some pointers for this year as well as a little closure. Hang in there

I'm curious about this AFPC feedback.  Is it some random AFPC GS-10 giving you feedback based on current year board stats?  How useful is the feedback?  Did you get honest feedback from your direct leadership before and after the board?  I haven't seen much non-rated O6 level mentoring prior to the boards, except at the MAJCOM level where the director tells you that you are at the top/middle/bottom of the top/middle/bottom percentile.  It's too bad.

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2 hours ago, panchbarnes said:

I'm curious about this AFPC feedback.  Is it some random AFPC GS-10 giving you feedback based on current year board stats?  How useful is the feedback?  Did you get honest feedback from your direct leadership before and after the board?  I haven't seen much non-rated O6 level mentoring prior to the boards, except at the MAJCOM level where the director tells you that you are at the top/middle/bottom of the top/middle/bottom percentile.  It's too bad.

AFPC feedback was surprisingly helpful.  It was a Lt Col who was the head of promotions, he went over all of the board instructions and then he went through some stuff in my record that stood out to him that wasn't in my prf that he thought should have been and just some writing techniques to strengthen the PRF. And we discussed SSB procedures to see if I could qualify.  Ultimately he told me that my record was stronger than people who got promoted but my PRF didn't reflect that and that the board may have read something into it. 

My Rater and Senior Rater feedback was worthless. My SR in my feedback when I asked why I didn't earn a DP said "don't worry, you have a great record, you will get promoted " my rater only said that I was his #1 and our pool must have been competitive. 

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It's not about your record, it's about your bottom line strat and DP.  Nothing else matters.   

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3 hours ago, Jetpilot said:

It's not about your record, it's about your bottom line strat and DP.  Nothing else matters.   

I mean, that is objectively not true.  We promote more people than we give DPs to.

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AFPC feedback was surprisingly helpful.  It was a Lt Col who was the head of promotions, he went over all of the board instructions and then he went through some stuff in my record that stood out to him that wasn't in my prf that he thought should have been and just some writing techniques to strengthen the PRF. And we discussed SSB procedures to see if I could qualify.  Ultimately he told me that my record was stronger than people who got promoted but my PRF didn't reflect that and that the board may have read something into it. 
My Rater and Senior Rater feedback was worthless. My SR in my feedback when I asked why I didn't earn a DP said "don't worry, you have a great record, you will get promoted " my rater only said that I was his #1 and our pool must have been competitive. 
That's odd. When I did it 2 years ago it was with Autumn, and every other person I've talked to who have done it also did it with her. I didn't really find it helpful. Mostly "you need more strats and FGO awards". I would still recommend doing it the first time tho just in case something pops out.

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49 minutes ago, olevelo said:

That's odd. When I did it 2 years ago it was with Autumn, and every other person I've talked to who have done it also did it with her. I didn't really find it helpful. Mostly "you need more strats and FGO awards". I would still recommend doing it the first time tho just in case something pops out.

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Heard the same thing from a guy passed over with a DP.  It's when I started submitting 1206s every single quarter.

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