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4 hours ago, Spaceballs said:

I see all the posts talking about strats and awards being so important for promotion. Have you seen people who have gone the breadth of experience compete well with those who have depth? Any example I’ve thought about, the depth just seems much more promotable on paper.

 

I'm assuming by depth you mean SME.

IMHO, the only "depth" that gets recognized by the promotion board are your WIC/TPS/SAAS/CNODP/Monterey/blah blah blah graduates.

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6 hours ago, dream big said:

How does outplacement from school work? Is it based highly on your staff vector or is it based on your performance in school? Once people go to school the whole career process thereafter seems like secret squirrel magic. 

SOF DT talked about it a little bit in a recent webinar.  Sounds like vector, needs, and timing.  Pry not too different with other DTs.

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On 5/14/2019 at 2:56 AM, Spaceballs said:

I wonder how the promotion board would know that. Maybe it's even a different level somewhere higher that's disagreeing with the 100% policy and trying to sift through records for DUI's, etc? I don't know. It just doesn't make sense that 100% promotion would need to take half a year or more to get approved. On that note though, why would it take months for any board to be approved once the board adjourns?

Just saw that the AF Reserve O-4 board results are coming out on the 23rd.  Still no word on the Active Duty O-4 results.....SMH.

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18 hours ago, dream big said:

How does outplacement from school work? Is it based highly on your staff vector or is it based on your performance in school? Once people go to school the whole career process thereafter seems like secret squirrel magic. 

I retired in 2015 so my info may be incorrect nowadays.  If you were a flyer, the first priority was to get you back in the jet if you were short on gate months. Usually the plan was to fleet you up to DO as soon as you made O-5.  If you were not short on gate months, a staff job at OSD, JCS, HAF, and everything else.

If you ended up going to SAASS, SAMS, or SAW after ACSC, just about everyone I know pinned on O-5 or were very close by the time they graduated and ended up going straight to a DO billet.  One cat was sent to be a group DO out of SAMS.  That did not seem like a good deal to any of us (including him) but he made the command list and got command after 2 years.  His was an unusual path.

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2 hours ago, filthy_liar said:

I retired in 2015 so my info may be incorrect nowadays.  If you were a flyer, the first priority was to get you back in the jet if you were short on gate months. Usually the plan was to fleet you up to DO as soon as you made O-5.  If you were not short on gate months, a staff job at OSD, JCS, HAF, and everything else.

If you ended up going to SAASS, SAMS, or SAW after ACSC, just about everyone I know pinned on O-5 or were very close by the time they graduated and ended up going straight to a DO billet.  One cat was sent to be a group DO out of SAMS.  That did not seem like a good deal to any of us (including him) but he made the command list and got command after 2 years.  His was an unusual path.

Have you ever had anyone go outside the flying world and become a DO as an O-4? For example, I was handpicked for my DO position. 

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2 hours ago, Shazaam said:

Have you ever had anyone go outside the flying world and become a DO as an O-4? For example, I was handpicked for my DO position. 

Are you a comm guy or a missilier?

 

 

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22 minutes ago, bennynova said:

Are you a comm guy or a missilier?

 

 

Space Force Cadet

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Have you ever had anyone go outside the flying world and become a DO as an O-4? For example, I was handpicked for my DO position. 

When he says DO, I’m thinking he means TACC duty officer


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The Air Force announces new officer categories
Tl;Dr:

1. Air Operations and Special Warfare (all rated officers and the 13L folks)

2. Nuclear and missile operations

3. Space operations

4. Information Warfare

5. Support

6. Force Modernization - developmental engineers, acquisitions, etc

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Does that mean each new category will compete at boards comprised of like-officers?

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Does that mean each new category will compete at boards comprised of like-officers?

That’s the rumint.


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I was wondering if rated flyers accept DO positions outside of the flying realm and whether or not it is viewed as good or bad? My GP/CC was telling me they had an A-10 guy as a CC on a non-flying training base. 

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Have you ever had anyone go outside the flying world and become a DO as an O-4? For example, I was handpicked for my DO position. 

 

Anything is possible...never say never. I did just exactly that...but, it’s not the way the system normally works. Lots of “luck”, timing, and a $&@“ loaf of work the AF didn’t ever deserve, but the people did...and also being kinda awesome. Probably mostly awesome.

 

Everyone is “hand picked” for their DO position.

 

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I was a DO of an OSS, then asked to be a SQ/CC of a non flying GSU. Boss asked what I wanted to do after CC stint and I told him I wanted to fly again. Leave for new a/c qual in the fall. Helps me get current again and then I’ll make a decision on retirement then airline or go DSG and airline. Kinda nice to be able to have a little control over my future.

 

 

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54 minutes ago, herkbum said:

I was a DO of an OSS, then asked to be a SQ/CC of a non flying GSU. Boss asked what I wanted to do after CC stint and I told him I wanted to fly again. Leave for new a/c qual in the fall. Helps me get current again and then I’ll make a decision on retirement then airline or go DSG and airline. Kinda nice to be able to have a little control over my future.

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I asked AFPC what can I do next because I don't feel challenged enough in my DO position. Everything just feels really slow. I was offered Staff, C-12s to Saudi, or Edwards. They noted I have 3 short tours already and asked if I was married. I am single going on 19 years. The functional didn't specify why, but I can't crossflow to another MWS.

I'm on a 3 year stab tour, but AFPC said I can leave after 2 years. I just need my non rated CC's blessing.  Figure I would ask her in a few months. AFPC needs a response by Jan 2020. 

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Apply for a command board? Or who gives a shit? While I don’t know what you’d do at Edwards...probably that.

 

Just get ready to drive 40 minutes to work and back,

~Bendy

 

Edit: or go to Saudi if you like seeing the world and don’t mind being single...or like that flavor of life. Why am I even posting right now? Oh yeah, same reason so always do...check.

 

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15 minutes ago, Bender said:

Apply for a command board? Or who gives a shit? While I don’t know what you’d do at Edwards...probably that.

 

Just get ready to drive 40 minutes to work and back,

~Bendy

 

Edit: or go to Saudi if you like seeing the world and don’t mind being single...or like that flavor of life. Why am I even posting right now? Oh yeah, same reason so always do...check.

 

Old lady is in Cali and she would be 6 hrs away.

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31 minutes ago, Shazaam said:

I asked AFPC what can I do next because I don't feel challenged enough in my DO position. Everything just feels really slow. I was offered Staff, C-12s to Saudi, or Edwards. They noted I have 3 short tours already and asked if I was married. I am single going on 19 years. The functional didn't specify why, but I can't crossflow to another MWS.

I'm on a 3 year stab tour, but AFPC said I can leave after 2 years. I just need my non rated CC's blessing.  Figure I would ask her in a few months. AFPC needs a response by Jan 2020. 

Bragging.

 

You and Pawnman should just get room and leave the rest of us out if it.

Plenty of us as an O-4 DO in a flying squadron right now. You’re definitely not “special” or “hand-picked”

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Posted (edited)
5 hours ago, IDALPHA said:

Bragging.

 

You and Pawnman should just get room and leave the rest of us out if it.

Plenty of us as an O-4 DO in a flying squadron right now. You’re definitely not “special” or “hand-picked”

Well, if it makes y'all feel better, I'm not in a DO position, and the OG/CC looked at me like I had a dick on my forehead when I asked if DO was a possibility after leaving my current job.

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I am going on 19 years. The functional didn't specify why, but I can't crossflow to another MWS.


Found it.

AFPC can’t guarantee a payback ADSC from
Initial qual if you’re that close to retirement.
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5 hours ago, pawnman said:

Well, if it makes y'all feel better, I'm not in a DO position, and the OG/CC looked at me like I had a dick on my forehead when I asked if DO was a possibility after leaving my current job.

There are DO jobs available if that is what you want. I wonder if this is a reason why we get slammed on promotion boards for not taking on other types of leadership jobs. Being an AC or MC is a leadership job. 

 

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20 minutes ago, Shazaam said:

There are DO jobs available if that is what you want. I wonder if this is a reason why we get slammed on promotion boards for not taking on other types of leadership jobs. Being an AC or MC is a leadership job. 

 

There are DO jobs if you can get out of your community.  I've been told I'm too valuable as an instructor to leave my airframe for the last 6 years.  We only have two flying squadrons and the OSS at my base.

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On 5/15/2019 at 10:57 PM, pawnman said:

My experience is the opposite.  People who stay in the community and become experts in the B-1 usually don't do as well as people who do literally anything else - UPT, ALO, staff, etc.

That must of have changed. When I was in the B-1 community (left in 2004), people who left, like me, didn't do as well as though who stayed. I left and wasn't able to get a squadron command and so got passed over for O-6. 

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