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So, about those promotions and instructor positions...

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Maybe having kids has sapped my energy or something, but I can’t imagine giving as much of a shit about anything that he seems to care about everything.

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5 hours ago, pawnman said:

So, about those promotions and instructor positions...

My best bud who pinned on Lt Col in November is applying for a Det/CC position. But he is ripe for a 365 now simply for taking the devils rank of Lt Col. Dude has 23+ years in already. 

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8 minutes ago, Shazaam said:

My best bud who pinned on Lt Col in November is applying for a Det/CC position. But he is ripe for a 365 now simply for taking the devils rank of Lt Col. Dude has 23+ years in already. 

If he's got 23+ years, does he have any ADSC that prevents a 7-day opt for a 365?  Plus, (and I know, needs of the Air Force, never trust AFPC, blah blah blah), the intent is to not deploy people while they are in these ROTC, UPT/UCT, and (with more wiggle room to deploy folks) FTU positions.

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4 hours ago, pawnman said:

If he's got 23+ years, does he have any ADSC that prevents a 7-day opt for a 365?  Plus, (and I know, needs of the Air Force, never trust AFPC, blah blah blah), the intent is to not deploy people while they are in these ROTC, UPT/UCT, and (with more wiggle room to deploy folks) FTU positions.

Unfortunately, he is Cyber and not rated. Has 2 kids and wants that extra $5K in his paycheck a year for Lt Col retirement. So he has to stay in for 3 years as a Lt Col in order to officially retire at the rank. He has deployed once for two months, but has had some great assignments (Korea, Germany, Florida, Colorado, Texas).

Congrats on Lt Col. Here is your rank along with some lube for your 365!

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3 minutes ago, Shazaam said:

He is Cyber, not rated. Has 2 kids and wants that extra $5K in his paycheck a year for Lt Col retirement. So he has to stay in for 3 years as a Lt Col in order to officially retire at the rank.

Ironically, I was chatting with my previous DO. I asked him if he was ready for retirement in November. He told me he can't retire until March 2021. Apparently, he didn't know you have to be in the rank for 3 years in order to retire and receive that extra $5K a year.

You need the three years to retire as a LtCol, but the retirement pay is based on the highest three years.  So he could always retire a little early and get an extra $2-3k a year instead of $5k.

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1 minute ago, pawnman said:

You need the three years to retire as a LtCol, but the retirement pay is based on the highest three years.  So he could always retire a little early and get an extra $2-3k a year instead of $5k.

True. I guess when you have two young kids you will need every dime you can get. His kids won't be leaving the nest for another 6-8 years. 

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As long as he isn't a complete moron, he's probably losing money with that plan. Take the 'free' healthcare, and get a grossly better-paying job on the outside.

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He has deployed once for two months

Sounds like he deserves at least two 365s.


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On 5/8/2019 at 6:38 PM, panchbarnes said:

What makes you think he won't get picked up?  He was told explicitly by his SQ/CC, who happens to a really good friend of HAF/A1, to not worry it.  And who runs the promotion boards?  AFPC and HAF/A1!  Hello???

Additionally, he has a  Wg strat #1/1 *AND* he is the Wg DO of the qtr.  His records should place him at the bottom of the top 10% eligibles.  I am willing to bet he got the Super P as well..

Former CC thought I might get picked up for O-5 with this job. I thought my current CC might be on crazy pills with promotion talk. The quarterly Wing award happened this quarter so 2 months after PRF. It wasn't a Super P based on my gouge. BODN keeps my perspective grounded. Everything about my flying career has been non-standard compared to a guy in one MWS their whole career.

7 hours ago, ihtfp06 said:


Sounds like he deserves at least two 365s.
 

I'm dead asf! 😂🤣😂

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Does anyone (I.e. central boards and SR) actually care about FGO quarterly awards?

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20 minutes ago, MechGov said:

Does anyone (I.e. central boards and SR) actually care about FGO quarterly awards?

A guy I know passed over with a DP said that in his feedback session with AFPC, one of the factors they highlighted was a lack of FGO awards.  After that, I wrote a 1206 every quarter.

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For those who have seen the guidance on rewriting NO PRFs for folks already in school, what's the gouge? I haven't heard anything from AFIT (although I'm sure they're not concerned until its time for the next board). Who writes these new PRFs, and who gives the strats?

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I think it’s odd to have 100 NO PRFs written by losing units....now being replaced by AFIT? Or would the onus fall back on everyone’s old losing unit who may or may never t even know who those people are anymore (3-year PHD)

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I think it’s odd to have 100 NO PRFs written by losing units....now being replaced by AFIT? Or would the onus fall back on everyone’s old losing unit who may or may never t even know who those people are anymore (3-year PHD)
Yeah, that's my point. For folks who are leaving this summer, it makes sense for the losing unit to do them. But for folks like me, who will have been gone for well over a year by the time the next PRFs are done, it makes no sense at all. But how will AFIT strat folks?!

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3 hours ago, olevelo said:

Yeah, that's my point. For folks who are leaving this summer, it makes sense for the losing unit to do them. But for folks like me, who will have been gone for well over a year by the time the next PRFs are done, it makes no sense at all. But how will AFIT strat folks?!

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17 hours ago, pawnman said:

A guy I know passed over with a DP said that in his feedback session with AFPC, one of the factors they highlighted was a lack of FGO awards.  After that, I wrote a 1206 every quarter.

Sounds like a civilian responded to the guy you are referencing. Isn't that kind of being closed minded from a board perspective if you have won FGOQ at the squadron level 3-4 times, but never win at the Group, Wing, or a yearly? I would say most FGOs don't like to submit themselves for awards. You would think it's about you leading. But what do I know.

"Leadership is about solving problems. The day soldiers stop bringing you their problems is the day you have stopped leading them. They have either lost confidence that you can help or concluded you do not care." Colin Powell, General, Retired. 

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1 hour ago, Shazaam said:

Sounds like a civilian response. Isn't that kind of being closed minded from a board if you have won FGOQ at the squadron level 3-4 times, but never win at the Group, Wing, or a yearly? I would say most FGOs don't like to submit themselves for awards. You would think it's about you leading. But what do I know.

"Leadership is about solving problems. The day soldiers stop bringing you their problems is the day you have stopped leading them. They have either lost confidence that you can help or concluded you do not care." Colin Powell, General, Retired. 

Just passing on what I know.  And in my shop up at the wing staff, the only other FGO is my boss, currently in a holding pattern for SQ/CC this summer... So it isn't like he needs the awards.

So call me selfish, but I absolutely submitted a 1206 every quarter for the past two years, which let me put a "X FGO Qtr awards" on the PRF and top OPR.

I also submit someone from my shop in every category we can compete in every quarter.  Bitch all you want about the process, awards make a difference. At the very least, I'm getting my accomplishments on paper, in front of the boss, every quarter instead of waiting until OPR time.

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51 minutes ago, pawnman said:

Just passing on what I know.  And in my shop up at the wing staff, the only other FGO is my boss, currently in a holding pattern for SQ/CC this summer... So it isn't like he needs the awards.

So call me selfish, but I absolutely submitted a 1206 every quarter for the past two years, which let me put a "X FGO Qtr awards" on the PRF and top OPR.

I also submit someone from my shop in every category we can compete in every quarter.  Bitch all you want about the process, awards make a difference. At the very least, I'm getting my accomplishments on paper, in front of the boss, every quarter instead of waiting until OPR time.

Go team you!

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On 5/10/2019 at 9:17 PM, HossHarris said:

Go team you!

And we all wonder what's wrong with the promotion system....

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19 minutes ago, Shazaam said:

And we all wonder what's wrong with the promotion system....

No one cares about your career more than you.  You can care about other's careers as well, but at the end of the day, the person with the most invested in your career is yourself.

You don't have to stab people in the back to do the things the Air Force values as an institution.

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3 minutes ago, pawnman said:

No one cares about your career more than you.  You can care about other's careers as well, but at the end of the day, the person with the most invested in your career is yourself.

You don't have to stab people in the back to do the things the Air Force values as an institution.

You do have to stab people in the back when you're charge and people under you threaten to damage your future promotions and career. Reference the fired commanders thread.

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1 hour ago, pawnman said:

 

You don't have to stab people in the back to do the things the Air Force values as an institution.

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the Air Force values executive officer aka secretary work. 

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There can be a lot of secretarial work in an exec job, but in many cases, that person is surrounded and mentored by multiple O6s and above, as well as interactions with the group and squadron commanders.   

 

Its a good learning experience on how things work and what sort of information our bosses and above actually care about.

 

 

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On May 9, 2019 at 9:28 PM, Shazaam said:

 It wasn't a Super P based on my gouge.

You should have a copy of your signed your PRF--what exactly did your push line say?

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