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And pay the remaining bonus back? While finding a new job?


You don’t have to pay it back. You only have to pay back the unearned portion of what you’ve received. So if you take the lump sum...then you might have a good sized payback. If you didn’t...then you might have a partial year to pay back depending on your bonus anniversary date.
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6 hours ago, IDALPHA said:

I hope you guys get promoted!

But. (Devils Advocate)

You committed to 20 as a major by taking the bonus. Do you think the bean counters want you to promote? Plenty of O-4’s taking over as DO nowadays. No reason to hand out more money when you already took a little extra and signed a contract....

 

Every rated* 0-4 I know of that is a DO is one of the shiny penny type that’s about to go to school / staff or is already an 0-5 select. 

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5 hours ago, IDALPHA said:

I hope you guys get promoted!

But. (Devils Advocate)

You committed to 20 as a major by taking the bonus. Do you think the bean counters want you to promote? Plenty of O-4’s taking over as DO nowadays. No reason to hand out more money when you already took a little extra and signed a contract....

 

I'm not yet cynical enough to think my bonus status is even a consideration to the board.

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Every Pilot 0-4 I know of that is a DO is one of the shiny penny type that’s about to go to school / staff or is already an 0-5 select. 


I’m sorry... what’s your definition of shiny penny again? Because you just threw out three different categories of people in that statement, all of which fall into very different rankings in my opinion.

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1 hour ago, Champ Kind said:

 


I’m sorry... what’s your definition of shiny penny again? Because you just threw out three different categories of people in that statement, all of which fall into very different rankings in my opinion.

 

Sorry let me be more clear: the only rated  O-4s I have seen as DOs are school selects, or are most likely getting picked up for school.  Of those, most will likely go to staff after.  These are the people I’m referring to as shiny pennies (not in a bad way, but their careers are pretty much taken care of.)   There are a few other 0-4 DOs but they are usually already 0-5 selects (may or may not be shiny pennies.) 

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Asking for a friend.

 

Has there been any guidance for the next O-5 board barring the use of the Silver Bullet ? Ie “If I had one more DP to give?”

 

He’s in a group of three ITZ and one got the DP neither he or the other P got the silver bullet.

 

Is his SR an idiot or is there guidance to not use that phrase from HAF?

 

 

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They should carryover (not aggregate) and again compete/get DPs...

   maybe the Center or Majcom could give that to the single runner up

 

 

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They should carryover (not aggregate) and again compete/get DPs...
   maybe the Center or Majcom could give that to the single runner up
 
 



Right, the Senior Rater would give the silver bullet to the runner up. No one got it. Unless you are saying the MLR controls the Silver Bullet statement.


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45 minutes ago, Skitzo said:

Asking for a friend.

 

Has there been any guidance for the next O-5 board barring the use of the Silver Bullet ? Ie “If I had one more DP to give?”

 

He’s in a group of three ITZ and one got the DP neither he or the other P got the silver bullet.

 

Is his SR an idiot or is there guidance to not use that phrase from HAF?

 

 

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I hope there isn't guidance like that, because I got the "if I had a DP is give it to him" on my PRF.

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I’m just wondering it it’s fair for small SE pools to be giving out silver bullet DPs to unequally proportioned eligibles.  45% rate 

 

i.e, if a 5 separate SR eaters had 100, 20, 5, 3, and 1 eligibles and all of their carryovers got silver bullets then that means:

SR 100 gave DPs to his top 46%

SR 20 gave DPs to his top 50%

SR 5 gave it to his top 60%

SR 3 gave it to his top 66%

SR 1 could give it to his 100%

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16 minutes ago, bennynova said:

I’m just wondering it it’s fair for small SE pools to be giving out silver bullet DPs to unequally proportioned eligibles.  45% rate 

 

i.e, if a 5 separate SR eaters had 100, 20, 5, 3, and 1 eligibles and all of their carryovers got silver bullets then that means:

SR 100 gave DPs to his top 46%

SR 20 gave DPs to his top 50%

SR 5 gave it to his top 60%

SR 3 gave it to his top 66%

SR 1 could give it to his 100%

And this is different than the last decade because...?

Hell, I could complain that the SR with 100 people had 45 DPs to give out.  The guy with 1 person has to fight for a DP at the MLR.  Very similar to what happened to me... Two more IPZs on the base and I'd have a DP.  Instead I just have the "I wish I had a DP for him" push line.

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I hope there isn't guidance like that, because I got the "if I had a DP is give it to him" on my PRF.

 

I think you are safe I got that a year ago and got picked up. My friend was in a group of three and after telling him that he should reach out because none of the other two himself included got the silver bullet I just thought maybe they had prohibited that statement. Hence my problem is his senior rater an idiot.

 

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To be clear, i’m Just brainstorming....

  i’m Not against silver bullets; i’d Be happy to have one

    

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6 hours ago, Skitzo said:

Has there been any guidance for the next O-5 board barring the use of the Silver Bullet ? Ie “If I had one more DP to give?”

Rumor has it specific guidance is coming in July. Maybe this SR is just an overachiever.

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There is nothing that says a SR has to give a super P. All depends on the SR. 


True, however the guy was a DP BTZ last year.




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3 hours ago, Skitzo said:

 


True, however the guy was a DP BTZ last year.




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So from DP BTZ to a plain P IPZ?  Something fishy then.

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Something doesn’t have to be fishy.  The BPZ pools are much bigger than the IPZ

 

for instance, my last org was 55 BPZ and 34 IPZ/APZ with only about 17 of those being IPZ

 

depends on year groups I suppose

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if a guy goes from BPZ DP to IPZ P something has happened. Either the individual’s record changed significantly or a bunch of rock stars moved in during the year. 

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6 hours ago, Skitzo said:

 


True, however the guy was a DP BTZ last year.




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BPZ DP And IPZ P?   Now you have me nervous. 

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15 hours ago, Homestar said:

if a guy goes from BPZ DP to IPZ P something has happened. Either the individual’s record changed significantly or a bunch of rock stars moved in during the year. 

Or, which happened to I, back in the day I had plans outside the organization, was leaving in 3 months, and a new Sq/CC, Gp/CC, and Wg/CC had just arrived. Despite doing some of the best work I’d ever done and working my tail off to keep things afloat for the new CC, my ranking went down and I lost a strong push I’d had the previous year.

Sq/CC’s explanation? “You don’t need it. You’re heading down a different path now.” Referring to my school selection and PCS out of his org. Reiterated by Wg Execs.

On top of that, we had a terrible new control freak Chief Exec who was the perfect combo of, “You shouldn’t write your own OPR,” and, “I’ve never written an OPR before.” So we had that expert writing my OPR and PRF for the CC and heismaning all my efforts to help him.

So just pointing out that 💩 happens.

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14 minutes ago, Klepto said:

Or, which happened to I, back in the day I had plans outside the organization, was leaving in 3 months, and a new Sq/CC, Gp/CC, and Wg/CC had just arrived. Despite doing some of the best work I’d ever done and working my tail off to keep things afloat for the new CC, my ranking went down and I lost a strong push I’d had the previous year.

Sq/CC’s explanation? “You don’t need it. You’re heading down a different path now.” Referring to my school selection and PCS out of his org. Reiterated by Wg Execs.

On top of that, we had a terrible new control freak Chief Exec who was the perfect combo of, “You shouldn’t write your own OPR,” and, “I’ve never written an OPR before.” So we had that expert writing my OPR and PRF for the CC and heismaning all my efforts to help him.

So just pointing out that 💩 happens.

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Brutal confluence of events but I could totally see it -- you need some senior rater luck in this game.  I'm off to school this summer with a DP 1-below and I'm fully anticipating a P out of the school MLR next year IPZ but whatevs.   I'm just hoping by virtue of being in school during IPZ that I'll have a good chance.  But hearing this story stings!   

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Brutal confluence of events but I could totally see it -- you need some senior rater luck in this game.  I'm off to school this summer with a DP 1-below and I'm fully anticipating a P out of the school MLR next year IPZ but whatevs.   I'm just hoping by virtue of being in school during IPZ that I'll have a good chance.  But hearing this story stings!   


How many people have you ever heard of getting passed over for promotion while attending or having finished in-res IDE?

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