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17 hours ago, pawnman said:

I hope you're right, but previous years statistics seem to contradict your statement.

+1 on this. Previous statistics confirm less than 3% chance for ABZ, and no DP.

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3 hours ago, dream big said:

This is my confusion as well, how the hell is this middle of the road with multiple top tier strats? Sounds like the dude’s SR either doesn’t know what he is talking about or is playing games.

Thanks, guys.   I’m under the impression that he doesn’t know quite what he’s talking about....

this is his first time as a SR and he only has 2 IPZ and 1 BPZ for this board.

Thems the breaks moving from such a huge organization to such a small one.  Many hear have alluded to it as well.

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10 hours ago, pawnman said:

So I sat down with my wing commander, and here are the bullet points:

My recent record is pretty good, but the total record didn't complete well enough to get a DP.

I had a lot of "#1/x" for instructor, evaluator, shop chief, but not a lot of #x/xx captains, majors, CGO, or FGO.  Lesson learned... If your rater or SR is giving you a #1 that isn't CGO/FGO, push them for a CGO/FGO strat.  He told me even a #10/40 majors would have been more helpful than my #2/23 shop chiefs.

My pool was very competitive.  My base was not the only one with too few officers to get an outright DP, so I was competing with others who would have gotten a DP at their wings if there were more people within the wing.  

Bottom line - if you rate on guys, don't give them a #1 of x in a category the board doesn't care about at the expense of a #x/xx (assuming it's a decent one) CGO/FGO or captain/major strat.

I sure wish someone had said that to me about two years ago.

On the bright side, he said boards have largely stopped punishing the lack of staff.  We're starting to normalize people staying in the cockpit, because that is what Big Blue has asked of us.

Your strats, as stated, do not appear to be middle-of-the-road.  That said, do you think there is a chance he meant middle-of-the-road as compared to other BPZ records?  Given that your record only competed for an aggregate DP against other BPZ records, he may have meant that your record was "average" among the people all being pushed for a DP BPZ.  Note also that the BPZ promotion rate is generally <5%, thus even with your strong strats, the odds are not high at being picked up BPZ for any officer.

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11 hours ago, Muscle2002 said:

Your strats, as stated, do not appear to be middle-of-the-road.  That said, do you think there is a chance he meant middle-of-the-road as compared to other BPZ records?  Given that your record only competed for an aggregate DP against other BPZ records, he may have meant that your record was "average" among the people all being pushed for a DP BPZ.  Note also that the BPZ promotion rate is generally <5%, thus even with your strong strats, the odds are not high at being picked up BPZ for any officer.

I'm IPZ.  If I'd had those strats on more than one OPR, is have been more competitive.  But I got the FGO strat on my last OPR, and the major strat on the PRF.  So the record overall is kind of middle-to-top-third, because I don't have CGO or FGO strats throughout.

At least, that's what he told me.

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43 minutes ago, bennynova said:

I think he mixed us up or misquoted, pawnman

I must have fat-fingered the quote.  I meant to reply to your post.  Stupid fingers!

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29 minutes ago, Muscle2002 said:

I must have fat-fingered the quote.  I meant to reply to your post.  Stupid fingers!

That makes more sense.  Gotta stop replying first thing in the morning.

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I'm so glad I'm separating and DGAF about promotion stats anymore.  Reading this thread makes me want to kick a puppy.  Good luck fellas.

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1 hour ago, BADFNZ said:

I'm so glad I'm separating and DGAF about promotion stats anymore.  Reading this thread makes me want to kick a puppy.  Good luck fellas.

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I'm so glad I'm separating and DGAF about promotion stats anymore.  Reading this thread makes me want to kick a puppy.  Good luck fellas.

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Everyone's gotta make a call on what's best for them and their families -- I certainly don't begrudge anyone deciding to get out or deciding to stay in....but trading information that can strengthen your record, PRF, and chances for promotion on future boards is worthwhile to me and I appreciate the discussion.  To those bouncing to greener pastures, fly safe and hook me up with a buddy pass....Cheers!

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13 hours ago, celtic020 said:

Everyone's gotta make a call on what's best for them and their families -- I certainly don't begrudge anyone deciding to get out or deciding to stay in....but trading information that can strengthen your record, PRF, and chances for promotion on future boards is worthwhile to me and I appreciate the discussion.  To those bouncing to greener pastures, fly safe and hook me up with a buddy pass....Cheers!

Are you a pilot?

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1 hour ago, celtic020 said:

Nav aka no transferrable job skills what so ever.  

Same.  Plus, I took the bonus.

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No transferable? I have trouble believing that. I know there aren’t navs or flight engineers in civi world any longer but I would say your time to a regional has to be easier than the average civilian. Your skills can translate to getting your pilot qual’s and licensees. Buy a plane and fly while still on active duty and build your time.

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1 hour ago, Guardian said:

No transferable? I have trouble believing that. I know there aren’t navs or flight engineers in civi world any longer but I would say your time to a regional has to be easier than the average civilian. Your skills can translate to getting your pilot qual’s and licensees. Buy a plane and fly while still on active duty and build your time.

I’ve met several prior WSO/CSO types that were doing contractor RPA work (sensor operator) either as school house instructors or line fliers. $100k+ jobs 

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1 hour ago, Guardian said:

No transferable? I have trouble believing that. I know there aren’t navs or flight engineers in civi world any longer but I would say your time to a regional has to be easier than the average civilian. Your skills can translate to getting your pilot qual’s and licensees. Buy a plane and fly while still on active duty and build your time.

You make it sound so easy...

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CSO’s or any other non-pilot Officers (and plenty of E’s) can do plenty of non-flying jobs and kill it on the outside. Don’t sell yourselves short.

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10 minutes ago, Danger41 said:

CSO’s or any other non-pilot Officers (and plenty of E’s) can do plenty of non-flying jobs and kill it on the outside. Don’t sell yourselves short.

Checks. 

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CSO’s or any other non-pilot Officers (and plenty of E’s) can do plenty of non-flying jobs and kill it on the outside. Don’t sell yourselves short.



Shhhhh...we need the to go to staff so we don’t have to!
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4 hours ago, ThreeHoler said:

 

 


Shhhhh...we need the to go to staff so we don’t have to!

 

 

Jokes on you... My functional won't release me to go to staff.

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I hope you guys get promoted!

But. (Devils Advocate)

You committed to 20 as a major by taking the bonus. Do you think the bean counters want you to promote? Plenty of O-4’s taking over as DO nowadays. No reason to hand out more money when you already took a little extra and signed a contract....

 

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I hope you guys get promoted!
But. (Devils Advocate)
You committed to 20 as a major by taking the bonus. Do you think the bean counters want you to promote? Plenty of O-4’s taking over as DO nowadays. No reason to hand out more money when you already took a little extra and signed a contract....
 

You’re not committed if you decline continuation.


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1 hour ago, ihtfp06 said:


You’re not committed if you decline continuation.


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And pay the remaining bonus back? While finding a new job?

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Anyone who get passed over, and can swing it, should leave for the ARC to get promoted.  Too many silly games and half truths by commanders to stick around that swamp.  I think your good deal train is over once that happens, maybe even a year or so before official notice.

additionally, any officer can get a great job on the outside, your bullshit OPR and PRF looks really good on a civilian resume, they don’t know any different, at least most of them. 

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