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The question is still hanging out there: With all the AFI changes out there, is continuation still a thing?
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Yeah, as said above it should have been mentioned in the letter if you were 1APZ. You have 60 days to accept. On myPers, under Promotion, then Selective Continuation Information, there’s some general information, then at the bottom a link to the specific 18B Major’s Board for this particular board. That’s where it lists this board’s critical skills, such as all pilots, a couple of CSO’s, engineers, and a few others like folks in degree programs. Those are the folks that are supposed to be offered 24 years, everyone else just 20. However, I fall in two of those critical buckets and my letters only said 20 and everyone’s trying to figure out why. Yes letters, because I got one from my previous Wing CC, one from AFIT, and one from the ROTC Det CC at the school where I’m attached to while in school! And yeah, the 20 versus 24 matters because I’m trying to make sure they don’t kick me out of the PhD program if I’m continued to 20!


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What is the DP vs P spread at each rating period? I assume unlimited P, is there a threshold for how many DP are available? I.e., a squadron has 10 O-4s, does that mean only one, two, etc? 

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What is the DP vs P spread at each rating period? I assume unlimited P, is there a threshold for how many DP are available? I.e., a squadron has 10 O-4s, does that mean only one, two, etc? 



It’s based on the senior rater, not squadron. Most senior raters are Wing Commanders, sometimes Group Commanders. At MAJCOM level they are usually the respective A1/2/3 directors.

75 is normal for O-4 (before the 100% era) and 50-55 for O-5.

Senior raters get DPs based on how many ITZ they have. If the result is say 2.5, the SR gets 2, and the .5 goes back to the MLR and they add all the .5s together from around the MAJCOM to determine how many ML DPs there are. Then they have a knife fight to award those DPs.


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My guess is that person was a 3rd look in-res schoolboy. That’ll get you a P from the MLR, but if he’s currently in school he can be selected on the assumption of PME completion upon graduating


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Some good changes coming wrt PRFs and OPRs outta Corona.... the table was slapped, but the timeline wasn't determined, so hold on to your butts.

1. Two line PRFs. It was determined through survey that the majority of board and MLR members use the top and bottom lines to make their determination.... So they're moving on that - two lines is all you get. If you've seen the form for command consideration, it's similar. Line 1: this dude is great because reasons. Line 2: #x of XX, absolutely promote etc. 

2. Strats on OPRs are going away (like EPRs) - instead they are replaced with a by-commander recorded top-middle-bottom designation (or like the army, above, in, below center of mass), with a redesign of the form. Commanders ratings of their people will be tracked, so they only get X amount of each rating and if commanders are grading heavier or too light that will be recorded and reported at THEIR next promotion board... Undetermined: timeline for implementation, mainly because this style of rating is going to drive toward rating all of each rank at the same time, which is going to cause thrash as it did on the E side.

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Best way to implement static close outs would be with young ranks and let it permeate up and phase out as the majors and above get out.  

 

Inalready have 15 years of old system.  Seems too late to change

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Best way to implement static close outs would be with young ranks and let it permeate up and phase out as the majors and above get out.  
 
Inalready have 15 years of old system.  Seems too late to change


I just want to stop writing my own OPRs since I’m passed over enough times to never get promoted again. Because that would be better that the waste of text that they are with no push line since they’ll never get me promoted.
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5 minutes ago, ThreeHoler said:

 


I just want to stop writing my own OPRs since I’m passed over enough times to never get promoted again. Because that would be better that the waste of text that they are with no push line since they’ll never get me promoted.

 

While that would be perfect for most of us in a perfect world. However how can we write your/our retirement dec without all the fodder from the opr’s? 

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58 minutes ago, cragspider said:

While that would be perfect for most of us in a perfect world. However how can we write your/our retirement dec without all the fodder from the opr’s? 

The same way we get the fodder for the OPRs.

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1 hour ago, cragspider said:

While that would be perfect for most of us in a perfect world. However how can we write your/our retirement dec without all the fodder from the opr’s? 

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Man, I hope you're kidding, otherwise I must be way out on the bell curve if that's what I'm supposed to worry about.  I don't GAF what's on my retirement dec.  I hope it says, "Did some cool shit.  Learned a lot and improved what he could.  Still married.  Loves his kids.  Good luck."  I guess that wouldn't get past CCE, huh?

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7 hours ago, nunya said:

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Man, I hope you're kidding, otherwise I must be way out on the bell curve if that's what I'm supposed to worry about.  I don't GAF what's on my retirement dec.  I hope it says, "Did some cool shit.  Learned a lot and improved what he could.  Still married.  Loves his kids.  Good luck."  I guess that wouldn't get past CCE, huh?

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Yes I’m joking. Im at the point in my career now that I don’t care what’s on the opr anymore.  Sadly the careerist will care still so this train must move on. 

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17 hours ago, ThreeHoler said:

 


I just want to stop writing my own OPRs since I’m passed over enough times to never get promoted again. Because that would be better that the waste of text that they are with no push line since they’ll never get me promoted.

 

Just turn it in blank, like your PRF.

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5 hours ago, pawnman said:

Just turn it in blank, like your PRF.

Technically, non-compliance can be punished. Just write crazy shit into your OPR and see how many times they kick it back before they get frustrated and do it themselves. Then do that same thing year after year until they learn their lesson.

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2 hours ago, joe1234 said:

Technically, non-compliance can be punished. Just write crazy shit into your OPR and see how many times they kick it back before they get frustrated and do it themselves. Then do that same thing year after year until they learn their lesson.

Non-compliance with...the AFI?  Because the AFI is pretty clear that you shouldn't be writing your own OPR anyway.  So if you're already passed over and running out the clock on retirement, go ahead and fight that battle.  What are they going to do...pass you over again?

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5 hours ago, joe1234 said:

Technically, non-compliance can be punished. Just write crazy shit into your OPR and see how many times they kick it back before they get frustrated and do it themselves. Then do that same thing year after year until they learn their lesson.

Personal experience?

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No one should ever have to write their own OPR.   Although I’ve always written mine.... 

 

 but I’ve also always written those that I have rated

personally, I do t trust someone else to write mine.   Only two bosses have known what the push lines mean/can mean.

 

current one has no clue

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On 10/12/2018 at 8:23 AM, olevelo said:


Yeah, as said above it should have been mentioned in the letter if you were 1APZ. You have 60 days to accept. On myPers, under Promotion, then Selective Continuation Information, there’s some general information, then at the bottom a link to the specific 18B Major’s Board for this particular board. That’s where it lists this board’s critical skills, such as all pilots, a couple of CSO’s, engineers, and a few others like folks in degree programs. Those are the folks that are supposed to be offered 24 years, everyone else just 20. However, I fall in two of those critical buckets and my letters only said 20 and everyone’s trying to figure out why. Yes letters, because I got one from my previous Wing CC, one from AFIT, and one from the ROTC Det CC at the school where I’m attached to while in school! And yeah, the 20 versus 24 matters because I’m trying to make sure they don’t kick me out of the PhD program if I’m continued to 20!


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Wait the AF selected you and is paying to get a PhD but you aren't good enough to make O-4? YGFSM!

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5 hours ago, Fuzz said:

Wait the AF selected you and is paying to get a PhD but you aren't good enough to make O-4? YGFSM!

Happens in the Army as well.

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... just shared that he had recently been told that he would not be promoted and was at risk of being forced out of the Army. Why? Because after being commissioned, he had spent two years studying at Oxford instead of holding the standard military jobs expected of junior officers during that period of their careers.

...this story reveals the depths of the problems within the military personnel system — that even promoting a Rhodes Scholar to a relatively junior rank requires active intervention by senior officers, up to and including the Chief of Staff of the Army.

 

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5 hours ago, Fuzz said:

Wait the AF selected you and is paying to get a PhD but you aren't good enough to make O-4? YGFSM!

Last thing the AF needs is to give a little authority to some hoity-toity Maj who thinks he can go fixin things that don't need to be fixed with all his fancy book-learnin'.

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Wait the AF selected you and is paying to get a PhD but you aren't good enough to make O-4? YGFSM!

Yup. Granted, I wasn’t in the program yet when the board happened, or even have a push on my PRF to say I was going, because it was a very last minute program. So I have a small amount of hope for the next board since supposedly they’re supposed to be emphasizing it more on the boards now (which was the whole reason the program I was I was stood up in the first place).

Even more baffling though is that I was passed over with a Sq/CC equivalent position the last two years (no C-code, but OPR and PRF say it), and a #1/69 Major strat from the OG. But you know all those strats I didn’t have as a captain while I was at Test Pilot School are the death knell.


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Last thing the AF needs is to give a little authority to some hoity-toity Maj who thinks he can go fixin things that don't need to be fixed with all his fancy book-learnin'.

They gave me the authority to stand up a new test unit and do O-5 things, but that experience doesn’t really matter apparently.


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On 10/13/2018 at 5:53 AM, Chuck17 said:

Some good changes coming wrt PRFs and OPRs outta Corona.... the table was slapped, but the timeline wasn't determined, so hold on to your butts.

1. Two line PRFs. It was determined through survey that the majority of board and MLR members use the top and bottom lines to make their determination.... So they're moving on that - two lines is all you get. If you've seen the form for command consideration, it's similar. Line 1: this dude is great because reasons. Line 2: #x of XX, absolutely promote etc. 

2. Strats on OPRs are going away (like EPRs) - instead they are replaced with a by-commander recorded top-middle-bottom designation (or like the army, above, in, below center of mass), with a redesign of the form. Commanders ratings of their people will be tracked, so they only get X amount of each rating and if commanders are grading heavier or too light that will be recorded and reported at THEIR next promotion board... Undetermined: timeline for implementation, mainly because this style of rating is going to drive toward rating all of each rank at the same time, which is going to cause thrash as it did on the E side.

Chuck

Awesome, this does nothing for the secret rack and stack that WILL take place behind every members back.  

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Make sure Boeing or Space X or Northrop sends the AF a thank you note for gifting them an employee, trained and educated, without costing them a dime.

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