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18 minutes ago, pawnman said:

That's been my whole career.  Here's hoping it stays in the 90% range next year.

Do 91% of dudes REALLY do ACSC in correspondence?! 

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4 hours ago, IDALPHA said:

Do 91% of dudes REALLY do ACSC in correspondence?! 

I don't know, but I sure did. That's gotta count for something, right?

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Do 91% of dudes REALLY do ACSC in correspondence?! 


Pilot on the 100% opportunity O-4 board without SOS at all got promoted. So who knows.

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10 hours ago, ruckerstud said:

Since it has been brought up, has anyone heard any rumors about the current LTC board regarding promotion rates? I have heard that it will be a 91% promotion rate, but don't know if that includes APZ like the majors board did, or it will be 91% for IPZ and the standard 3% for APZ. Either way, I have a plan, but would like be able to figure out what I am doing for the next 4 to 5  years without waiting on AFPC or HAF A1s timeline.

 

So O-5 is the new O-4

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1 hour ago, panchbarnes said:

 

So O-5 is the new O-4

Which is kinda what everyone wanted, right?

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1 hour ago, ThreeHoler said:

Previous boards had ~75% total promotion rate so ~90% is a pretty big leap. Time will tell.

I don't think the increased promo opportunity is as significant as you think. I suspect the overall promotion opportunity will increase by just 6%. 

The overall promotion opportunity for the CY 17 O-6 LAF board was 85% (1,224 selected, out of 1439 IPZ eligibles). 

It just so happened that 122 were selected BPZ, and 57 were selected APZ, which meant just 72.6% (1,045 out of 1439) were selected IPZ. 

A 6% increase in promotion eligibility (from 85% to 91%) wouldn't be anything to sneeze at, but I don't think we're looking at a 15% increase in promotion rates to O-5 next board as you suggested in your post.

My (highly uneducated) guess---The AF will dip ever-further into the BPZ pool:

- They will have already promoted any quality APZ types, leaving the choice of selecting bottom-of-the-barrel (but experienced) IPZ types or high-speed (but  less experienced) BPZers. Seems more likely Big Blue will go with the youth movement. 

I know current CCs & DOs (as well as ADOs, etc., that work for them) have far less experience than their predecessors did 5 or 10 years ago, but it'll get even worse.

TT

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Fixed BPZ & APZ numbers

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16 minutes ago, ThreeHoler said:

I thought BPZ was limited to 10% but maybe I was mistaken.

Looks like you're right; BPZs were 122 out of 1,224 total selected in the CY17 board (I realized I transposed the BPZ & APZ numbers in previous post--went back & fixed it). 

Quality control is gonna be tough. The pool of quality APZs will be used up, and Big Blue won't be able to promote any more  high-speed BPZers than they already are (maxed out at 10%). 

For those who meet the board in the zone, it'll be "no major left behind"--especially if the promo opportunity increases to 91%.

TT

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On 7/13/2018 at 10:06 AM, TnkrToad said:

I don't think the increased promo opportunity is as significant as you think. I suspect the overall promotion opportunity will increase by just 6%. 

The overall promotion opportunity for the CY 17 O-6 LAF board was 85% (1,224 selected, out of 1439 IPZ eligibles). 

It just so happened that 122 were selected BPZ, and 57 were selected APZ, which meant just 72.6% (1,045 out of 1439) were selected IPZ. 

A 6% increase in promotion eligibility (from 85% to 91%) wouldn't be anything to sneeze at, but I don't think we're looking at a 15% increase in promotion rates to O-5 next board as you suggested in your post.

My (highly uneducated) guess---The AF will dip ever-further into the BPZ pool:

- They will have already promoted any quality APZ types, leaving the choice of selecting bottom-of-the-barrel (but experienced) IPZ types or high-speed (but  less experienced) BPZers. Seems more likely Big Blue will go with the youth movement. 

I know current CCs & DOs (as well as ADOs, etc., that work for them) have far less experience than their predecessors did 5 or 10 years ago, but it'll get even worse.

TT

We have already had DOs in our community who are 06 year group majors.

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Is there some hint here that increasing the "opportunity" to O-5 is a desirable thing? That's going to make any kind of difference...who gives a shit? It's purely a number in grade game, and O-5 becomes more vacant by the day and the number competing becomes lower as well.

"Best of what's left?"...please, that's always been true. It's a fact, used in sarcasm as some kind of point for those that feel they need it.

Every SQ/CC (with 2 exceptions) I've ever hooked up, is now flying for delta...make O-5, get command, join the line behind the passed over major.

Do what makes you happy and what you enjoy...I for one appreciate the people...I won't have these kinds of relationships in my next career...I'll missed that a lot.
The money will probably help, but I'll still miss them.

Last year captain is where it's at...if you move, blast straight to squadron command. There's no joy in ADO'ing; DO'ing for sure, but definitely not ADO'ing, unless your at a UPT base and hide in a flight as a chief pilot. (I don't know how to do this, it's just something I've heard happens).

~Bendy

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On 7/13/2018 at 11:47 AM, ThreeHoler said:

I thought BPZ was limited to 10% but maybe I was mistaken.

Per law (DOPMA), you are correct, last I checked.

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Can you give up a rank? Like you are a LtCol active duty and want to be a major in the guard or reserves? Anything like un-promotion voluntarily?

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No PSDM drop yet for the next majors board? I learned a few months back our flight docs do not receive a PRF. A letter is submitted for them. "Met all reqs. Promote!" "Did not meet all reqs, attempted to pop a cyst, thinking it was a pimple. DO NOT PROMOTE!" Just that simple.

A doc was asking me about whether or not he needs to submit a  PRF before his PCS. I was close to saying, "Damit Jim, I'm a pilot snacko, not a doctor." I made a call, and low and behold, no PRF for them. Just like SOS is optional for flight doctors.

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1 hour ago, HarleyQuinn said:

No PSDM drop yet for the next majors board? I learned a few months back our flight docs do not receive a PRF. A letter is submitted for them. "Met all reqs. Promote!" "Did not meet all reqs, attempted to pop a cyst, thinking it was a pimple. DO NOT PROMOTE!" Just that simple.

A doc was asking me about whether or not he needs to submit a  PRF before his PCS. I was close to saying, "Damit Jim, I'm a pilot snacko, not a doctor." I made a call, and low and behold, no PRF for them. Just like SOS is optional for flight doctors.

Well, it’s pretty hard to keep doctors around, so we had better find a way to retain that talent and experience. The Air Force has to be cautious with these kinds of things. Imagine an Air Force without doctors! Plus all of that specialized training and licensing, along with continually making life or death decisions...

And yet here we are, 11Xs.

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43 minutes ago, war007afa said:

Well, it’s pretty hard to keep doctors around, so we had better find a way to retain that talent and experience. The Air Force has to be cautious with these kinds of things. Imagine an Air Force without doctors! Plus all of that specialized training and licensing, along with continually making life or death decisions...

And yet here we are, 11Xs.

At least doctors don't have an easy transition to similar jobs on the outside.  Phew, where would we be then?

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No PSDM drop yet for the next majors board? I learned a few months back our flight docs do not receive a PRF. A letter is submitted for them. "Met all reqs. Promote!" "Did not meet all reqs, attempted to pop a cyst, thinking it was a pimple. DO NOT PROMOTE!" Just that simple.
A doc was asking me about whether or not he needs to submit a  PRF before his PCS. I was close to saying, "Damit Jim, I'm a pilot snacko, not a doctor." I made a call, and low and behold, no PRF for them. Just like SOS is optional for flight doctors.


You're mentoring flight doctors on their PRFs now too? You really are a truly sought after commodity for sure.

Your friend is either an idiot, you're a troll, or you're a liar...what do you want t go with here?

~Bendy
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7 minutes ago, Bender said:

 


You're mentoring flight doctors on their PRFs now too? You really are a truly sought after commodity for sure.

Your friend is either an idiot, you're a troll, or you're a liar...what do you want t go with here?

~Bendy

 

Careful, he'll post another family photo.

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On 7/17/2018 at 11:00 PM, Bender said:

 


You're mentoring flight doctors on their PRFs now too? You really are a truly sought after commodity for sure.

Your friend is either an idiot, you're a troll, or you're a liar...what do you want t go with here?

~Bendy

 

Some squadrons are pretty tight with their flight doctors. Maybe you are not accustomed to that relationship. At least two enlisted personnel have come to me because their symptoms were being overlooked by doctors due to them being young airmen. I texted our flight doctor and he rolled in on the doctors in the Medical Group to resolve the issues. Someone from intel needed to be cleared for a TDY and the Medical Group was dragging their feet on the paperwork. Texted the flight doctor and he rolled in once again to save the day.

Flight doctors aren't always mentored properly just like any other career field. They probably have leadership that solely looks out for themselves.  I was surprised when the doc asked me about his PRF. I actually had to call a Medical Group at a different base for the information. And I showed the doc on MyPers how to figure out when he will be IPZ for the Medical Corps. Bros taking care of bros, no matter the AFSC.

If you aren't in the AF anymore, how can you call a flight doctor an idiot for seeking out mentorship? I don't think any idiots make it through med school. 

Bendy....have a snickers.

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l I don't think any idiots make it through med school. 


I beg to differ based on some experiences at the medical hobby shop.

If you really wanted to do right by your airmen, you could have helped them obtain a referral to a real doctor in town.
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6 hours ago, HarleyQuinn said:

Bendy....have a snickers.

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Point of order: Bendy IS a diva.  Snickers won't help.

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So, Duck, does your contact happen to know what the deal is with the O-5 board timeline?  Are we looking at another 6 months?

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16 hours ago, Champ Kind said:

 


I beg to differ based on some experiences at the medical hobby shop.

If you really wanted to do right by your airmen, you could have helped them obtain a referral to a real doctor in town.

 

Medical Hobby Shop..I am dead! You are right Champ. However, I don't know which doctors to recommend off base. I didn't want to make my post too long by including this information either. 

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So, Duck, does your contact happen to know what the deal is with the O-5 board timeline?  Are we looking at another 6 months?


Is there any actionable info causing the uproar about the O-5 board results? Other than the fact that the board date slipped 3 months, the requirements for PRFs were still the same, were they not? There shouldn’t be the same contentious discussion going on at higher levels on this promotion board because there wasn’t the “100% opportunity” language as was the case on the recent O-4 board.

I think someone else already chimed in, but based on historical data you should see results for the O-5 board in early to mid September based on that being roughly three months from the board.

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