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2 hours ago, Ram said:

WIC grads in exec positions is definitely NOT the standard in the CAF. Seems like a phenomenon only in the MAF.

 

Could it possibly be true that the old FWIC concept was unnecessarily watered-down by the “everyone gets a trophy” mentality when operators of every MDS got a seat at the table?

 

I mean, if your wing/MDS can spare target arms for non-W prefix work, doesn’t that make them superfluous?

 

(Yeah yeah, burn the witch...I know...)

 

Interesting, because it seemed to be the standard in the BONE community for a while. I've seen both OG and WG execs wearing the WIC patch.

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22 minutes ago, pawnman said:

Don't forget that we forced a bunch of officers and enlisted out less than 5 years ago, and the younger dudes who watched that happen don't have a lot of faith the AF won't do it again.

SHACK!

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3 hours ago, Ram said:

WIC grads in exec positions is definitely NOT the standard in the CAF. Seems like a phenomenon only in the MAF.

 

Could it possibly be true that the old FWIC concept was unnecessarily watered-down by the “everyone gets a trophy” mentality when operators of every MDS got a seat at the table?

 

I mean, if your wing/MDS can spare target arms for non-W prefix work, doesn’t that make them superfluous?

 

(Yeah yeah, burn the witch...I know...)

 

The MAF would get by OK without patches, but I'd rather have a tanker guy planning tanker stuff than having the fighter patch doing it.  It's just that AMC values queep above everything else, and they take the most capable bodies, and toss them at whatever  the senior leaders view as important.  Hence, the patch turning into an OPR/PRF monkey at the wing. 

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22 minutes ago, NKAWTG said:

The MAF would get by OK without patches, but I'd rather have a tanker guy planning tanker stuff than having the fighter patch doing it.  It's just that AMC values queep above everything else, and they take the most capable bodies, and toss them at whatever  the senior leaders view as important.  Hence, the patch turning into an OPR/PRF monkey at the wing. 

NKAWTG beat me to it.  Lots to say on this topic, but that sums it up:  the CAF and MAF appear to value different things.  

Ram, I appreciate the dialog regarding patch necessity in the MAF, but I think that they do play an important role.  Their role would be even more important if the MAF used them to their full capacity, but because of misplaced values, we have what we have now.  The issue that the MAF is facing is that I truly don't think they know what to do with WIC guys.  MAF upper management has been told by their colleagues at the CAF that patches should be treated as shiny pennies.  So, the MAF has done the only thing they know how to do with shiny pennies:  make them execs so that they are "broadened" as to what happens outside of the squadron and in the wings that they will supposedly command one day.  Probably well-intentioned, but completely antithetical to what the Weapons School is supposed to produce.  MAF management can't fathom bypassing developmental opportunities by leaving a shiny penny "down in the squadron" to build, teach, lead, and make the unit more effective in its primary (non-queen) mission.  

And while I realize that patches in exec-type roles are non-standard in the CAF, I can say firsthand that I saw a patch flyer O-4 carrying Gen Goldfein's hat around on a base visit.  

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4 hours ago, Ram said:

WIC grads in exec positions is definitely NOT the standard in the CAF. Seems like a phenomenon only in the MAF.

 

Could it possibly be true that the old FWIC concept was unnecessarily watered-down by the “everyone gets a trophy” mentality when operators of every MDS got a seat at the table?

 

I mean, if your wing/MDS can spare target arms for non-W prefix work, doesn’t that make them superfluous?

 

(Yeah yeah, burn the witch...I know...)

 

No, at least in the 130 world patches do some great work and training.  The problem is a lot of our 05-06 leadership are careerist politicians who don’t understand how to utilize the patches.  I have three examples now of patches sitting in the exec offices while the tactics shop is burning to the ground. 

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4 hours ago, pawnman said:

Interesting, because it seemed to be the standard in the BONE community for a while. I've seen both OG and WG execs wearing the WIC patch.

BUFF similar. 

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6 hours ago, FourFans130 said:

Of course, none of us know what KC-135 patches do though

They're the ones that try to load HAVE-QUICK II for you at red flag....

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Say it to yourself outloud: tactical expert who went to elite tactical school working as a secretary focused on OPR bullets, formatting, and PowerPoints  

If it sounds stupid to say it’s probably fucking stupid. Don’t over complicate it. 

Someone needs to break the mold. 

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So did Duck get passed over or what? It's been f'ing years of this shit and now mums the word? My faith in the US Air Force hinges on this answer. ~Bendy

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So did Duck get passed over or what? It's been f'ing years of this shit and now mums the word? My faith in the US Air Force hinges on this answer. ~Bendy


Check back a couple of pages. He was successful in his escape plans.

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Yeah, I was one of like 14 APZ guys passed over. It’s been busy around here doing TAPs and interviews for jobs, etc... Thanks for all the support throughout the years bros!

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You carry the hopes and dreams of all endentured servants with you. Best of luck on the outside brother! 

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So will the O-5 board results take another six months, too? The board itself already had an extra week...

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By current promotion rates the last of the '03 O-5 selects should pin on in October.  Hopefully they'll tell the '04 results no later than that so the first few selectees can make some very hurried plans in time for 1 Nov.  My money is on early-mid September.

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24 minutes ago, soupafly06 said:

By current promotion rates the last of the '03 O-5 selects should pin on in October.  Hopefully they'll tell the '04 results no later than that so the first few selectees can make some very hurried plans in time for 1 Nov.  My money is on early-mid September.

You think they care about convenience of proletariat, or anything even approaching common sense?  Much have you to learn, young padawan.

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100% consideration for major was supposed to be determined by last Friday. Now it's pushed to the end of this week for a decision.

The old heads hate the fact individuals were promoted for doing absolutely nothing. The hate is real. This experiment will come back and bite us all. 

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18 hours ago, FourFans130 said:

You think they care about convenience of proletariat, or anything even approaching common sense?  Much have you to learn, young padawan.

We must seize the means of production and promotion!

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100% consideration for major was supposed to be determined by last Friday. Now it's pushed to the end of this week for a decision.
The old heads hate the fact individuals were promoted for doing absolutely nothing. The hate is real. This experiment will come back and bite us all. 


You're very opinionated.

~Bendy
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22 hours ago, FourFans130 said:

You think they care about convenience of proletariat, or anything even approaching common sense?  Much have you to learn, young padawan.

Haha fair enough.  I'm still suffering under the delusion I stand a chance after already being passed over once.  The better question for me is do I accept continuation of nah?

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3 hours ago, soupafly06 said:

The better question for me is do I accept continuation of nah?

I'm right there with you.  I'm leaning toward accepting it as it allows me to time my exit.  But that works for my unique situation of being within 19 months of my ADSC right now.  Being forced to separate in the spring of 2019 only compresses any of my separation/retirement plans. 

If denying continuation allows you to bail on a significant ADSC, that's a pretty sweet ace to have in your hand.  Play it wisely.  The private sector, while lucrative, is unforgiving to the unprepared.

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Since it has been brought up, has anyone heard any rumors about the current LTC board regarding promotion rates? I have heard that it will be a 91% promotion rate, but don't know if that includes APZ like the majors board did, or it will be 91% for IPZ and the standard 3% for APZ. Either way, I have a plan, but would like be able to figure out what I am doing for the next 4 to 5  years without waiting on AFPC or HAF A1s timeline.

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Since it has been brought up, has anyone heard any rumors about the current LTC board regarding promotion rates? I have heard that it will be a 91% promotion rate, but don't know if that includes APZ like the majors board did, or it will be 91% for IPZ and the standard 3% for APZ. Either way, I have a plan, but would like be able to figure out what I am doing for the next 4 to 5  years without waiting on AFPC or HAF A1s timeline.


I like my chances at 91%.

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I have heard that it will be a 91% promotion rate


Best of what’s left.
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2 minutes ago, Champ Kind said:

 


Best of what’s left.

 

That's been my whole career.  Here's hoping it stays in the 90% range next year.

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