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8 hours ago, HU&W said:

3.  Strat.  My #______/________ for this board.

Whoa, but is it of AFSC, FGO's/CGO's, ## year group, (insert other meaningless denominator)

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9 minutes ago, 17D_guy said:

Whoa, but is it of AFSC, FGO's/CGO's, ## year group, (insert other meaningless denominator)

Eligibles 

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Can someone explain the logic behind forcing someone to submit a PRF knowing damn well they plan on retiring or separating? I keep getting asked are you ready for retirement? I respond, "Why yes, yes I am." It's a waste of peoples time to submit a PRF for Lt Col when you obviously don't care about promotion. If they took away the ACSC via correspondence requirement, I might consider the possibility. I thought about writing a letter like Duck did to the promotion board, but with some flare added. 

Promotion Board,

"I feel bullied by my Wing and Group CCs because of having to write a mandatory PRF when I have other plans with my life. If officers don't want to be O-5s, just look in a mirror as to the reason why."

In today's AF, your feelings and being bullied matters. LoL

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Can someone explain the logic behind forcing someone to submit a PRF knowing damn well they plan on retiring or separating? I keep getting asked are you ready for retirement? I respond, "Why yes, yes I am." It's a waste of peoples time to submit a PRF for Lt Col when you obviously don't care about promotion. If they took away the ACSC via correspondence requirement, I might consider the possibility. I thought about writing a letter like Duck did to the promotion board, but with some flare added. 

Promotion Board,

"I feel bullied by my Wing and Group CCs because of having to write a mandatory PRF when I have other plans with my life. If officers don't want to be O-5s, just look in a mirror as to the reason why."

In today's AF, your feelings and being bullied matters. LoL

If I were your CC, I'd tell you to simply not do it. What's the worst they could do to you? You're right, it makes no sense and you shouldn't waste your time. In your shoes, I would ignore it. You shouldn't be writing your own PRF anyway, so just call them on it!

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Can someone explain the logic behind forcing someone to submit a PRF knowing damn well they plan on retiring or separating? I keep getting asked are you ready for retirement? I respond, "Why yes, yes I am." It's a waste of peoples time to submit a PRF for Lt Col when you obviously don't care about promotion. If they took away the ACSC via correspondence requirement, I might consider the possibility. I thought about writing a letter like Duck did to the promotion board, but with some flare added. 
Promotion Board,
"I feel bullied by my Wing and Group CCs because of having to write a mandatory PRF when I have other plans with my life. If officers don't want to be O-5s, just look in a mirror as to the reason why."
In today's AF, your feelings and being bullied matters. LoL


I know with an approved Date of Sep and still meeting promo board timing, the Wg submitted a blank PRF with no recommendation. This was 3 yrs ago though, not sure how it would work in the sweet new system.

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Can someone explain the logic behind forcing someone to submit a PRF knowing damn well they plan on retiring or separating? I keep getting asked are you ready for retirement? I respond, "Why yes, yes I am." It's a waste of peoples time to submit a PRF for Lt Col when you obviously don't care about promotion. If they took away the ACSC via correspondence requirement, I might consider the possibility. I thought about writing a letter like Duck did to the promotion board, but with some flare added. 
Promotion Board,
"I feel bullied by my Wing and Group CCs because of having to write a mandatory PRF when I have other plans with my life. If officers don't want to be O-5s, just look in a mirror as to the reason why."
In today's AF, your feelings and being bullied matters. LoL


You sound really ing whiny.
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3 hours ago, ThreeHoler said:

 


You sound really ing whiny.

 

Relax, I was joking here "I feel bullied by my Wing and Group CCs because of having to write a mandatory PRF when I have other plans with my life. In today's AF, your feelings and being bullied matters. LoL"

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Its not that hard. Besides, your not supposed to write your PRF. As I was retiring, I told execs nay to the PRF inputs, when fired right back that they would do it as ordered. I recommeded blank out of the unit.  It worked... for about a week.  I told execs to be very creative and have lots of fun.  It was a keeper and proud of the cheekiness displayed.  The one liner that the HHQ sent up was hilarious in that they misused "there" ilo "their record." 

For final OPR, it was less than 6 months and I didnt care and convinced the chain that I didnt want one. That way when they try to non-vol unretire me, they'll see the glitch which will overload, trip, and hang up the machine till it tosses me aside and moves on. 

Ahh, good ol days

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15 hours ago, HarleyQuinn said:

So nobody has any gouge on whether or not PRFs will be required for the next LAF majors board?

None at this nook of the circus.  See how much of a clown show the 09 board was? Expect similar incompetency! Most likely your leadership will have you write them anyways awaiting further guidance.  

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4 hours ago, FourFans130 said:

Was anyone else a little surprised by the stats on RAW?

The stats make sense to me.  The AF stated that they were going to use a 100% promotion "opportunity", and the numbers pretty much reflect folks having had a 100% opportunity.  I would imagine that the only folks that did not promote would be those that a.) were submitted as "Do Not Promote", b.) asked to not be promoted, or c.) had significant Quality Force Indicators (QFI).  Overall, only 4.3% of Captains that met the board (38 IPZ and 77 APZ) did not get selected for promotion.  Furthermore, as someone above posted, some folks that had QFI may still have a chance to be selected for promotion, pending a review by the SecAF or other entities. 

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Mike: Why do I have to write my own PRF? AFI states blah blah blah. 

Me: Few options here. 1. Just don't submit one. Be that guy to take one for the team to prove your point. 2. Talk to the boss. 3. File a complaint with IG. Then I explain how it acts as a mentorship process. Bros teaching bros how the process works and what a promotion board is looking for and how to write a good PRF. The Sq Exec, Gp/DS, Deputy OG/CC, and OG/CC will take care of the rest. You know your record better than anyone else. Would suck if CC wrote your PRF and totally missed a DG because it wasn't included in a TR or OPR, but was located in an MFR you have. Last thing you want is a PRF you don't like at all.  This isn't a support squadron where there is one officer under the CC. 

A few guys here at BODN and some mentors provided me with feedback on my first PRF. Thing was money for major! Even for Lt Col board PRF party people had great things to say. So thanks BODN.

Thoughts on numbnuts who doesn't want to write his PRF?

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Post your PRF.  We’d all be happy to give our thoughts. And I’ll likely steal a couple of lines in a couple of years because no one in the Guard seems to fact-check this shit. 

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1 minute ago, FUSEPLUG said:

Post your PRF.  We’d all be happy to give our thoughts. And I’ll likely steal a couple of lines in a couple of years because no one in the Guard seems to fact-check this shit. 

I want your knowledge on the dude who refuses to write his PRF.

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Just now, HarleyQuinn said:

I want your knowledge on the dude who refuses to write his PRF.

Fine then... post Mike’s PRF.  I’m seriously going to need to plagiarize it. 

Joking aside, I’m sorry I misunderstood your post.  If a guy doesn’t want to do it then no one should make him do it. If it’s half-assed he has no one to blame but himself.  As a supervisor you need to make that clear to Mike.  

This isn’t a new game where the ratee writes his own OPR/PRF/RIF paperwork.

 

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And this is why the cycle never breaks.

I have received "writing mentorship" exactly once in 12 years as to why what I put on a draft OPR was changed. Outside of that, changes were made with no explanation as to why.

How can a supervisor know if they're missing anything? How about one of the mandatory counseling/performance feedback sessions everyone marks as doing that never really gets done? Or reviewing a draft with the ratee before sending it up the chain to make sure nothing got missed?

I will grudgingly write my own reports, but when you step back and think about it, it's absolutely ridiculous, and we just do it because that's how it's always been.

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1 hour ago, FUSEPLUG said:

Fine then... post Mike’s PRF.  I’m seriously going to need to plagiarize it. 

Joking aside, I’m sorry I misunderstood your post.  If a guy doesn’t want to do it then no one should make him do it. If it’s half-assed he has no one to blame but himself.  As a supervisor you need to make that clear to Mike.  

This isn’t a new game where the ratee writes his own OPR/PRF/RIF paperwork.

 

No worries. Just never seen this type of attitude before from someone. Sure, I could have taught a PRF class, but in March we were told no PRFs for these folks. And I provided everyone with a good example template. I know some of our old heads here thinks a person shouldn't write their own PRF. I don't mind writing it for someone and I'm not Mike's supervisor. Just a Wing Snacko..lol

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11 hours ago, jazzdude said:

And this is why the cycle never breaks.

I have received "writing mentorship" exactly once in 12 years as to why what I put on a draft OPR was changed. Outside of that, changes were made with no explanation as to why.

How can a supervisor know if they're missing anything? How about one of the mandatory counseling/performance feedback sessions everyone marks as doing that never really gets done? Or reviewing a draft with the ratee before sending it up the chain to make sure nothing got missed?

I will grudgingly write my own reports, but when you step back and think about it, it's absolutely ridiculous, and we just do it because that's how it's always been.

I've pinged my leadership every time something got changed.  All of them welcomed it and I got insight into the writing process.  This included going to the Group/CC when he changed stuff and resulted in me getting an amazing job opportunity.

Fight for what you want.

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20 hours ago, HarleyQuinn said:

Mike: Why do I have to write my own PRF? AFI states blah blah blah. 

Me: Few options here. 1. Just don't submit one. Be that guy to take one for the team to prove your point. 2. Talk to the boss. 3. File a complaint with IG. Then I explain how it acts as a mentorship process. Bros teaching bros how the process works and what a promotion board is looking for and how to write a good PRF. The Sq Exec, Gp/DS, Deputy OG/CC, and OG/CC will take care of the rest. You know your record better than anyone else. Would suck if CC wrote your PRF and totally missed a DG because it wasn't included in a TR or OPR, but was located in an MFR you have. Last thing you want is a PRF you don't like at all.  This isn't a support squadron where there is one officer under the CC. 

A few guys here at BODN and some mentors provided me with feedback on my first PRF. Thing was money for major! Even for Lt Col board PRF party people had great things to say. So thanks BODN.

Thoughts on numbnuts who doesn't want to write his PRF?

For my 1 BPZ board to O-5, the O-6 for my MAJCOM directorate found out I was "providing well-formatted inputs" into my PRF.  My div chief got chewed out.

So, lesson learned.  For my IPZ board, I merely provided my signed 1 BPZ PRF to my Sq/CC.  He probably added a few things and passed up to the group.  I didn't see it until it came back signed from the Wg/CC (not personally...hand delivered from the Exec) significantly watered down from my 1 BPZ.

Lo and behold, I was passed over.

1 APZ:  moved on to a joint job.  Took my 1 BPZ PRF, updated with some accomplishments from the past two OPRs, made a few adjustments and spoon fed to my Army supervisor.  It made it up the chain nearly unmolested.  No DP, but got picked up anyway (also wrote a letter to the board, but that is another story).

Going forward, If I'm ever in the position to have input into a subordinate's PRF, I, 1) do not intend to make them do their own, and 2), will not do it myself without giving them a heads up on what I'm putting down.

My lesson learned:  write your own stuff.  Make rank.  Fix it when you get there.  But, maybe I'm a bad person.

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