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Yes, you can do that. I ended up with about 3 months of terminal.
Get your TAP class scheduled and knock it out ASAP. You miss a week of work and you don't want to be doing that shit while you're in the middle of PCSing, separating, and job hunting all at one time.

Can the commander give you an additional 20 or something days? I thought I remember that somewhere.

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15 minutes ago, Duck said:


Can the commander give you an additional 20 or something days? I thought I remember that somewhere.

Nope.  The permissive TDY for house/job hunting is only authorized for retirements or involuntary separations (it’ll be voluntary in your case cuz the AF will be kind enough to offer you continuation).  I got screwed on my end of ADSC separation.  I thought the same thing and took 19 ptdy days for house hunting and job interviews.  Commander approved (Yep, bad on both of us for not knowing the ins and outs of the AFIs), but the CSS dude (ya know, the dude whose J-O-B it is to know this stuff) signed off on it all three times.  

At my final out, was told by finance “sorry, that shouldn’t have been approved. We have to go back and change it to regular leave.”  I could either stay AD for 19 more days (not an option, HHGs were gone and I had airline Indoc to start) or charge it as excess leave.  I did the latter and got screwed out of 19 days of pay in the back end of my terminal leave.  

Big Blue just had to give one last kick in the crotch on my way out.  #byefelicia

 

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Nope.  The permissive TDY for house/job hunting is only authorized for retirements or involuntary separations (it’ll be voluntary in your case cuz the AF will be kind enough to offer you continuation).  I got screwed on my end of ADSC separation.  I thought the same thing and took 19 ptdy days for house hunting and job interviews.  Commander approved (Yep, bad on both of us for not knowing the ins and outs of the AFIs), but the CSS dude (ya know, the dude whose J-O-B it is to know this stuff) signed off on it all three times.  
At my final out, was told by finance “sorry, that shouldn’t have been approved. We have to go back and change it to regular leave.”  I could either stay AD for 19 more days (not an option, HHGs were gone and I had airline Indoc to start) or charge it as excess leave.  I did the latter and got screwed out of 19 days of pay in the back end of my terminal leave.  
Big Blue just had to give one last kick in the crotch on my way out.  #byefelicia
 

That sucks man. Thanks for the info though!

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Yeah, you could always ask your CSS, but if they say it’s approved get that in writing in an MFR or something.  If your CC is a bro, you might get a 3 day pass or something for an airline interview or house hunting.  

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1 hour ago, Duck said:


Can the commander give you an additional 20 or something days? I thought I remember that somewhere.

I was able to take 20 days of permissive TDY tacked onto my terminal. 

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Ok I had to look back in my emails.  Your discharge benefits code is under “special benefits package.” When you go to Airman and Family Readiness, they will look up that code, which also authorizes you six months of healthcare under TAMP. 

 

MPF has a master list of codes that qualify for the 20 days of permissive TDY under the special benefits package listed above. Give them the code that A&FRC gave you and they will validate the 20 days. 

 

Edit: I had to go to MPF and get it added to DEERS, THEN Separations would validate/approve the 20 days. 

 

Edit 2: it was the Separation code, which was JGB for us. That’s what I had to get added to DEERS before pressing on. 

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I did it under the older leave rules. However it depends on your cc. If he doesn’t really care to give you permissive paper work to fill out then I wouldn’t tell a soul.

 

I agree. Doesn’t seem to be legal now though.

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What? Rule #2 specifically says special benefits package, which JGB falls under per MPFs own list.

 

As for currency, I separated 31 Dec 2017, so not sure what would have changed between now and then.

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Long time listener, first time caller here. Not to drag out the 17D conversation, but I have some good gouge from some fairly reliable sources here in AMC. They're stating that SECAF went to Congress IOT explain the snafu w/ this board and that there's a list of about 200 personnel (cases) still in deliberation--said individual's SRs will have the "opportunity" to provide an explanation as to why they think these Airmen deserve O-4 given their records. So, it would appear that all isn't lost if you don't initially see your name on the list.

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1 hour ago, xaarman said:

Ok I had to look back in my emails.  Your discharge benefits code is under “special benefits package.” When you go to Airman and Family Readiness, they will look up that code, which also authorizes you six months of healthcare under TAMP. 

 

MPF has a master list of codes that qualify for the 20 days of permissive TDY under the special benefits package listed above. Give them the code that A&FRC gave you and they will validate the 20 days. 

 

Edit: I had to go to MPF and get it added to DEERS, THEN Separations would validate/approve the 20 days. 

 

Edit 2: it was the Separation code, which was JGB for us. That’s what I had to get added to DEERS before pressing on. 

JGB stands for Just Got Booted

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I heard they didn’t even have a continuation board on this round because the rate was so high. Can anybody confirm?

 

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59 minutes ago, Duck said:

I heard they didn’t even have a continuation board on this round because the rate was so high. Can anybody confirm?

 

I have a hard time believing that the Air Force wouldn't offer continuation to rated guys in the midst of a pilot manning crisis... But then, they've done dumber things.

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2 hours ago, Duck said:

I heard they didn’t even have a continuation board on this round because the rate was so high. Can anybody confirm?

 

If they didn’t you just hit the lotto with the  sep pay as well. 

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4 hours ago, Duck said:

I heard they didn’t even have a continuation board on this round because the rate was so high. Can anybody confirm?

 

No confirmation here, I do know that I DIDN’T sign I to my blackboard account and attempt to complete my ACSC by correspondence.... 

 

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5 hours ago, pawnman said:

I have a hard time believing that the Air Force wouldn't offer continuation to rated guys in the midst of a pilot manning crisis... But then, they've done dumber things.

Checks

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If they didn’t you just hit the lotto with the  sep pay as well. 


I thought writing a do not promote letter disqualified you from involuntary separation pay.
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14 minutes ago, ThreeHoler said:

 


I thought writing a do not promote letter disqualified you from involuntary separation pay.

 

It could, but I don’t remember. It would be pulled if they had a continuation board anyway. But Duck won’t know till he gets back to work what his letter states. 

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I thought writing a do not promote letter disqualified you from involuntary separation pay.

The caveat is that if you caused your non-selection by correspondence to the board then you would not receive separation pay. The way they figure that out is by removing your letter and “re-boarding your PRF” to see if the outcome is different. For my first board I had a blank PRF so I am assuming that did more to cause my non-selection than my letter. For this board with no PRF, I don’t know how you would figure it out.

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I do t think it matters.  Whether they had a a continuation board or not.... they aren't going to go be sep pay to anyone

 

  likely, they selectively continued everyone without the need of a board.   Blanket continuation for everyone.   If they did not do that, then they are dumber than we all thoUght.  

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I do t think it matters.  Whether they had a a continuation board or not.... they aren't going to go be sep pay to anyone
 
  likely, they selectively continued everyone without the need of a board.   Blanket continuation for everyone.   If they did not do that, then they are dumber than we all thoUght.  

Yeah I agree. Can’t wait to sign the paperwork Monday.
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21 hours ago, Rush said:

Long time listener, first time caller here. Not to drag out the 17D conversation, but I have some good gouge from some fairly reliable sources here in AMC. They're stating that SECAF went to Congress IOT explain the snafu w/ this board and that there's a list of about 200 personnel (cases) still in deliberation--said individual's SRs will have the "opportunity" to provide an explanation as to why they think these Airmen deserve O-4 given their records. So, it would appear that all isn't lost if you don't initially see your name on the list.

Can confirm (that this is happening, not the number it happened to).

Essentially, for these guys their name doesn't appear on either the promoted or not-promoted list, and your SR gets a letter from AF/A1 for you that states:

"1. You were recommended for promotion to major by the CY17D Major (LAF) Central Selection Board. Based on adverse information in your record, the Secretary of the Air Force has withheld your name from the promotion list. She has further directed initiation of a removal action via an Air Force From 4363, Record of Promotion Proprietary Action, to permit further review before determining whether you are qualified for promotion. You have the opportunity to provide comments on your behalf. The SecAF will make the final decision on whether to support or not support the nomination.

2. Public notification of the results of this board will take place on 19 Jun 18. Please work with your MAJCOM A1 staff to resolve this action."

The letter is dated 5 Jun. From those I've talked to, nobody received it before Friday. They received no guidance on what it means, how to respond, or any kind of timeline or deadline (or deadline for the determination). No details of if you are added back in do you keep your line number off the board or drop to the bottom, or if you are taken out if your six months (and this is your second board) is from the board release or from notification...

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1 hour ago, KingGuy said:

Can confirm (that this is happening, not the number it happened to).

Essentially, for these guys their name doesn't appear on either the promoted or not-promoted list, and your SR gets a letter from AF/A1 for you that states:

"1. You were recommended for promotion to major by the CY17D Major (LAF) Central Selection Board. Based on adverse information in your record, the Secretary of the Air Force has withheld your name from the promotion list. She has further directed initiation of a removal action via an Air Force From 4363, Record of Promotion Proprietary Action, to permit further review before determining whether you are qualified for promotion. You have the opportunity to provide comments on your behalf. The SecAF will make the final decision on whether to support or not support the nomination.

2. Public notification of the results of this board will take place on 19 Jun 18. Please work with your MAJCOM A1 staff to resolve this action."

The letter is dated 5 Jun. From those I've talked to, nobody received it before Friday. They received no guidance on what it means, how to respond, or any kind of timeline or deadline (or deadline for the determination). No details of if you are added back in do you keep your line number off the board or drop to the bottom, or if you are taken out if your six months (and this is your second board) is from the board release or from notification...

I’ve separated already but I’m watching this just to see if I got promoted anyway-I suspect I’m an easy kill remove for this one especially if mine was one of the 200 SRs have to “prove again.” 

“Hey SR justify why we should promote this guy” 

“Well he’s separated so....”

Normally as long as the board is >90 days from separation date they can’t remove your name just for separating, but this one is so different I wouldn’t put into past them. Although the OSD can do anything so I guess we will see. 

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Can confirm (that this is happening, not the number it happened to).
Essentially, for these guys their name doesn't appear on either the promoted or not-promoted list, and your SR gets a letter from AF/A1 for you that states:
"1. You were recommended for promotion to major by the CY17D Major (LAF) Central Selection Board. Based on adverse information in your record, the Secretary of the Air Force has withheld your name from the promotion list. She has further directed initiation of a removal action via an Air Force From 4363, Record of Promotion Proprietary Action, to permit further review before determining whether you are qualified for promotion. You have the opportunity to provide comments on your behalf. The SecAF will make the final decision on whether to support or not support the nomination.
2. Public notification of the results of this board will take place on 19 Jun 18. Please work with your MAJCOM A1 staff to resolve this action."
The letter is dated 5 Jun. From those I've talked to, nobody received it before Friday. They received no guidance on what it means, how to respond, or any kind of timeline or deadline (or deadline for the determination). No details of if you are added back in do you keep your line number off the board or drop to the bottom, or if you are taken out if your six months (and this is your second board) is from the board release or from notification...


I would love to see what percentage of what persons with what sort of adverse information.

DUI / Article 15 as a Lt vs a year prior to the board?

It consistently amazes me the way the USAF talks about needing leaders who can predict 2nd and 3rd order effects vs the decisions that are made. Now, once again because we can’t do that, it erodes the confidence again in the institution.

We could have plainly said 100% promote to O-4 caveat for UIF / derog info.

Wish the aircrew pulse survey was still open. I would cite this.

Fire, Ready, Aim!

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