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The delay was a pain but as long as they stick to the original plan of 100% as long as you didn't have any negative remarks I'm ok with it. No one from this group can pin on before September 1st anyway.  

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1 hour ago, 17D_guy said:

Is it ever not DOR?

Sure

  all academy guys share the same DOR (approx 1,000 in each year group) until they pin on Major and are in DORs respective to their increments.  

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The delay was a pain but as long as they stick to the original plan of 100% as long as you didn't have any negative remarks I'm ok with it. No one from this group can pin on before September 1st anyway.  

I would be surprised if it’s 100% (w/no negative indicators). I think the AF put the cart before the horse and is now working on the optics when they end up pushing out another 95% selection rate board. They could have saved face by not running their mouths and talking about a 100% board, but they just couldn’t help themselves. Just a feeling, it will be interesting to see the stats.

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How can they possible do that.  The board for every one with out a negative indicator was blind(Blank PRFs) so did they even rank those packages.  If they didn't them the can't possible promote 95% of that group.  

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So how are they going to decide line numbers now that everybody is the same? The way the O-3 board worked is that DOR was the deciding factor. If so does that mean that all of the APZ guys will be pinning on first?

Line numbers always come from date of rank of previous rank, then some other orders that I can’t ever keep straight, such as USAFA class rank and last four. “Ranking” off the board has never been part of it.

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How can they possible do that.  The board for every one with out a negative indicator was blind(Blank PRFs) so did they even rank those packages.  If they didn't them the can't possible promote 95% of that group.  

The PRF was blank. Your OPRs, TRs, and decs were visible.

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3 hours ago, aggiecadet03 said:

The delay was a pain but as long as they stick to the original plan of 100% as long as you didn't have any negative remarks I'm ok with it. No one from this group can pin on before September 1st anyway.  

I heard directly from one of the recorders for the board at AFPC that this was not the case. You had a 100% promotion opportunity (which has always been the case so I don't know why leadership started using this) but not everyone will get promoted even if you had no negative indications. I predict this is going to backfire spectacularly in leadership's face, based on how they sold this, when people get notified they were passed over. I can see the Air Force times headlines now: "100% promotion rate to major, does not mean 100%", "Top Air Force Leadership lied about promotion rates" etc.

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51 minutes ago, Fuzz said:

I heard directly from one of the recorders for the board at AFPC that this was not the case. You had a 100% promotion opportunity (which has always been the case so I don't know why leadership started using this) but not everyone will get promoted even if you had no negative indications. I predict this is going to backfire spectacularly in leadership's face, based on how they sold this, when people get notified they were passed over. I can see the Air Force times headlines now: "100% promotion rate to major, does not mean 100%", "Top Air Force Leadership lied about promotion rates" etc.

So... why did we not just include the PRFs that everybody had already written anyways?

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He explained that they set up an actual promotion board and ran the board through Full PRFs, one line PRFs and no PRFs. The end result was almost identical promotion rates regardless of format, therefore they decided to can PRFs since they had almost no effect on the promotion and save everyone's time. The fact that people still wrote them is indicative of probably the biggest issue we have in the AF, which is middle management going rogue and not listening to HAF and thereby wasting peoples time.

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PRFs were written because it was required and this change in policy didn't come down the pipe until after the were all requires up to the group level.  Wht promote a 100% promotion due to numbers if they did not intend to add to the end total of promotees?

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PRFs were written because it was required and this change in policy didn't come down the pipe until after the were all requires up to the group level.  Wht promote a 100% promotion due to numbers if they did not intend to add to the end total of promotees?

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1 hour ago, aggiecadet03 said:

Wh[y] promote a 100% promotion due to numbers if they did not intend to add to the end total of promotees?

Great question, one I'm sure leadership will have to answer for here in a couple days when people get the results.

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The list is out in AFPROMS. Hit up your favorite MPS.

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Did you win?

Haven’t been able to find out anything yet... ugh

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should the list be at the squadron CC level now?

That is all dependent on the wing and how fast they distribute results.

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FYSA, if anyone here falls under AFIT, expect notifications on Monday.

p.s. please do not post this to any other site to include Facebook, Twitter, Air Force promotions page on portal, etc.  k, thx.  

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27 minutes ago, RJ09 said:

Air Force promotions page on portal

There's a promotions page on portal? Like people actually use that website for more than hyperlinks to other mostly useless .mil websites?

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1 minute ago, Fuzz said:

There's a promotions page on portal? Like people actually use that website for more than hyperlinks to other mostly useless .mil websites?

Yes, and there are several hundred comments that are on that page.  Why someone would comment on that page, especially since it displays name, rank, etc., to display rumors or news that isn't official is beyond me.  But alas, they do.   

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10 minutes ago, RJ09 said:

Yes, and there are several hundred comments that are on that page.  Why someone would comment on that page, especially since it displays name, rank, etc., to display rumors or news that isn't official is beyond me.  But alas, they do.   

Any gems?

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1 minute ago, matmacwc said:

Any gems?

Most of those were deleted by AFPC, specifically the ones that referenced this site along with the intel that was posted regarding the reason of the delay etc.  But there are still some funny ones up there, in my opinion.  Like the one who posted today asking when is soon, as if they cannot comprehend 19 June is the release date and the ones that still think this board will have a promotion rate of 100%.  

 

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