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Thanks guys. I’m an inspiration to all, that you don’t have to be smart, good looking or talented to get here. Hell, you don’t even have to work hard.

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Well Gents, it’s been fun but Duck is now a twice passed over Captain on his way out the door. I appreciate all of you who reached out and offered me advice throughout the years. I know that I will ha

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Thanks guys. I’m an inspiration to all, that you don’t have to be smart, good looking or talented to get here. Hell, you don’t even have to work hard.


Wait...you work duck? I don’t think I could ever find you when I needed to!

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Wait...you work duck? I don’t think I could ever find you when I needed to!

Cheers!

That was always by design brother.
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On 12/20/2017 at 3:24 PM, MooseAg03 said:

It wouldn’t surprise me if they went through the whole scoring exercise just to get the O-6’s some training on the process. Instead of streamlining it to save time and effort...

Heck that’s what our Wing King did (let’s have everyone complete the PRF process for “practice.”)

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most wings were ON TIME with their PRF deliverables that by the time the 100% was announced, all PRFs had been submitted by squadrons and groups and were already processed through DP and the wing front offices.    This go round saved no time at the worker bee levels

 

the board met from dec 3-14, not too surprised they didn't update Mpers on the 18th/19th.    

Not sure what they needed 2 weeks for either, as they don't have PRFs for 98% of the folks and they aren't selecting for school.   Perhaps they are doing a complete look at the passed over and determining what to do with them.   They may have spent 3 entire days on duck's trying to figure out the mess he made ;)

 

i think we we are going to start see the Col and Lt Col rates go up as well.  We are low on Cols, only way to fix that is through rapid promotion to include more BPZ.  Just my opinion though, but many Cols just selected for Gp and Wg command are opting out for retirement.  

Oh, and CONGRATS, major select Duck!!!  It's a 100% certainty (well, 100% opportunity) that you "made it"    I hope for your sake that you didn't though.   But assuming you are selected for promotion, what is your way forward now?

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9 hours ago, bennynova said:

most wings were ON TIME with their PRF deliverables that by the time the 100% was announced, all PRFs had been submitted by squadrons and groups and were already processed through DP and the wing front offices.    This go round saved no time at the worker bee levels

Not sure what they needed 2 weeks for either, as they don't have PRFs for 98% of the folks and they aren't selecting for school.   Perhaps they are doing a complete look at the passed over and determining what to do with them.   

Concur with all this.  Had mine done and to the front office for rack/stack in line with normal AF bureaucracy timelines: Grp 2 months early + Wing 2 months early = on time.  RUMINT - had a local leader sit on the board and that's what was mentioned as well.  ALL records were reviewed for each member. 

9 hours ago, bennynova said:

i think we we are going to start see the Col and Lt Col rates go up as well.  We are low on Cols, only way to fix that is through rapid promotion to include more BPZ.  Just my opinion though, but many Cols just selected for Gp and Wg command are opting out for retirement.  

This is happening more and more in Cyber as well.  We've seen a ton of LtCol's/Col just bounce.  Once guy in the run for much higher rank punched as a 1-star (family issues), same for a Col offered a Wing.  Former Sq CC just made O6, frocked 6 months early and she said she was very non-competitive from a historical Comm/Cyber perspective.  Our promotion rates are discussed as awful overall compared to the rest of the AF and historically.  I have no proof of it, however a former CSAF mentioned it on a "listening tour."

So the question of retention for us, doubly so with a very high proportion of prior-E's, is do you want to stick around and hope all that gets corrected?  Doubtful, we're now seeing more Intel take over cyber Ops spots and we've got a MAF guy (not hating) slotted to CC one of our Ops Sq's.  That's not even considering how bad Big Blue FUCKED the enterprise from about 2009 until last year.

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41 minutes ago, bennynova said:

I think next CSAF is Robinson.... female and Cyber.   

 

Probably time for both honestly...

Is this based on certain qualifications and leadership aspects or is it based on the SJW (social justice warrior) need to advance women regardless of qualification into leadership positions? There is an important difference...

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Extremely sweeping and ignorant statement. That’s like saying cops can’t hack not killing innocent people so EMTs should step up.  
Not really. Law enforcement in America is still working. We are not on track for a massive degradation in police operations. Can the same be said for the Air Force?

Just because your commander is a "good dude" who "gets it" doesn't mean he or she is qualified to run a massive organization.

I get what you're saying, but the evidence is not on the pilots' side.

Also, your analogy would be more accurate if you were saying the mayor of the city should be a cop, which in most cases is not true, or necessary for a city to have an effective police force.
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13 hours ago, bennynova said:

Oh, and CONGRATS, major select Duck!!!  It's a 100% certainty (well, 100% opportunity) that you "made it"    I hope for your sake that you didn't though.   But assuming you are selected for promotion, what is your way forward now?

Thanks man. I am pretty excited about additional authori-tie. (Cartman) 

Actually my life in the AF has been pretty awesome since I showed my cards. The best was when my ADO asked me to do something which was #1 a terrible idea, and #2 would have been a huge time suck on my part and I just said "Nah man. I ain't gonna do that". Then he asked me to supervise and make sure someone else did it to which I replied... "Nah brother, I ain't your guy, but I'll tell them you are looking to talk to them". (I am sure that will make some people on this board go ballistic on me, but seriously you don't understand the whole story)

A week later he inquired how the job was going and I told him I had no idea. I guess he thought I was joking.

The good part of this story is that I have flown a ton and actually contributed (debatable) to the mission. Life not caring about chasing down things that don't matter has been phenomenal. I have been able to go to work, do my job AND ONLY MY JOB, help out people who need help and then go home and be with my family.

I am still holding out hope that I get good news in March, but even if I don't, I have 2 years left on my sentence and maybe just over 1 year if I get paroled for good behavior (unlikely).

People have asked me if I would do it all over again knowing about the 100% promotion opportunity and my response is "hell yeah". As dumb as it may sound, I was able to tell the AF that I was unhappy with how they were running things and that I didn't want to play anymore. Yeah it may cost me about 6 months of O-4 pay, but the freedom that I gained has been well worth it. My wife told me the other day that she hadn't seen me this happy since I started flying.

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Nope, it's still the AIR Force.  

True but she did start / serve as aircrew and then went on to other domains we operate in, breadth in experience / knowledge is better for overall leadership & management of the institution.

Just my two cents but she sounds like what we should be developing for senior leadership.

Experience with a broad range of operations versus specialized.

The days of the bomber / fighter / pilot only general should be gone.

It should be the Operations General with a broad based career to have the 50,000’ view.

Said as a proud pilot but we are not the only place in AF where senior leadership should come from
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1 hour ago, Duck said:

Thanks man. I am pretty excited about additional authori-tie. (Cartman) 

Actually my life in the AF has been pretty awesome since I showed my cards. The best was when my ADO asked me to do something which was #1 a terrible idea, and #2 would have been a huge time suck on my part and I just said "Nah man. I ain't gonna do that". Then he asked me to supervise and make sure someone else did it to which I replied... "Nah brother, I ain't your guy, but I'll tell them you are looking to talk to them". (I am sure that will make some people on this board go ballistic on me, but seriously you don't understand the whole story)

A week later he inquired how the job was going and I told him I had no idea. I guess he thought I was joking.

The good part of this story is that I have flown a ton and actually contributed (debatable) to the mission. Life not caring about chasing down things that don't matter has been phenomenal. I have been able to go to work, do my job AND ONLY MY JOB, help out people who need help and then go home and be with my family.

I am still holding out hope that I get good news in March, but even if I don't, I have 2 years left on my sentence and maybe just over 1 year if I get paroled for good behavior (unlikely).

People have asked me if I would do it all over again knowing about the 100% promotion opportunity and my response is "hell yeah". As dumb as it may sound, I was able to tell the AF that I was unhappy with how they were running things and that I didn't want to play anymore. Yeah it may cost me about 6 months of O-4 pay, but the freedom that I gained has been well worth it. My wife told me the other day that she hadn't seen me this happy since I started flying.

Just be careful, there are still promotion boards and the bro network in the AFRC/ANG.  That being said, you usually have a 6 month window or so of saying fuck off; I did it, and it was good, and there was much rejoicing across the land.

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