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4 hours ago, BashiChuni said:

Lol ok drama queen

its not a "10 year sentence"

yes im getting out as many others but I've had a great time. Maybe you can keep your overly cynical dramatic opinions to yourself a little more around here. 

Lol no. I'll drop the cynicism as soon as the AF starts living up to their end of the bargain. Don't hate the player, hate the game.

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11 hours ago, Duck said:

Have ya checked the Palace Chase webpage on mypers lately? I think most pilots are looking for an early out from the 10 year sentence. 

You're right. But most won't be approved or will only be approved for a 6 month curtailment. 

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It's projected to be APZers and IPZers. I don't know if and where the APZ cutoff is...perhaps none as there is only 'IPZ' now by the new definition, or maybe they stop at 5 years APZ...who knows. I doubt they've thought of advertising this critical info.

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3 minutes ago, Swizzle said:

It's projected to be APZers and IPZers. I don't know if and where the APZ cutoff is...perhaps none as there is only 'IPZ' now by the new definition, or maybe they stop at 5 years APZ...who knows. I doubt they've thought of advertising this critical info.

Standard AF. Fire, Aim, Ready.

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How is that any different then the situation now? Strats and awards (to a lesser degree) are the only things that the board cares about, anyway.  The rest is fluff.

It's not any different, and the strat system sucks now too.

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3 hours ago, Duck said:

Lol no. I'll drop the cynicism as soon as the AF starts living up to their end of the bargain. Don't hate the player, hate the game.

bro I get it trust me. but good lord every post is doom and gloom. enjoy life a little baaaaBEEEEEEEEE!

its fine to be cynical, but when every post is dripping w/ negativity ...

anyways see you in the airlines.

 

ps the AF will never live up to their end of the bargin. #ProTip

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56 minutes ago, BashiChuni said:

bro I get it trust me. but good lord every post is doom and gloom. enjoy life a little baaaaBEEEEEEEEE!

its fine to be cynical, but when every post is dripping w/ negativity ...

anyways see you in the airlines.

 

ps the AF will never live up to their end of the bargin. #ProTip

Valid criticism. I am just tired of getting the rug pulled out from under me and my family, one failed AF personnel policy at a time. I have not had it the worst at all by a long shot, but enough that me and my family went to lengths to get passed over on the very first O-4 board I had. Once I get out, I can promise to never post on here again.

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i enjoy duck posts that are insightful, thoughtful, and smart. keep posting.

if being forced to make O-4 is the worst that happens to you then you're a very blessed man.

perspective i guess.

anyways cheers to you bro i wish you nothing but the best.

 

break break back on topic...will this 100% to major policy start to chip away at the mindless number of award packages the collective "we" has to accomplish? 15 line, 30 line, etc etc etc...so and so of the qtr/year blah blah blah?

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break break back on topic...will this 100% to major policy start to chip away at the mindless number of award packages the collective "we" has to accomplish? 15 line, 30 line, etc etc etc...so and so of the qtr/year blah blah blah?


I doubt it, how else will the chosen 3-4 guys in each wing be identified for school? It may eliminate excess work for those who were submitting an award or 2 to make sure they didn't wind up in the bottom 5% at their Major's board. I can say there's a few things I wouldn't have bothered with if O-4 had been 100%.

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2 hours ago, BashiChuni said:

break break back on topic...will this 100% to major policy start to chip away at the mindless number of award packages the collective "we" has to accomplish? 15 line, 30 line, etc etc etc...so and so of the qtr/year blah blah blah?

Negative.  This is pushed from higher, with bad word-of-mouth if a unit/wing isn't putting in for these BS awards.  I can say when I've been in positions to deal with these, everything we can "neg respond" on, we did.  That was a pitiful number though.

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I actually think this is a great idea for pilots. In fact I would argue for it to be 100% to Lt Col and even promote separately and at a faster rate than the rest of the AF. The rollout was completely botched, yet again by Big Blue.

The problem that I see is two fold. First, this is being portrayed as a knee jerk reaction with very little planning for thought behind it. No where do I see this is going to be permanent, which means it will be business as usual for all the queep that goes into normal promotions. This is simply a backdoor stoploss for O-3s. I am wondering if a lot of guys wrote the board last time requesting to be passed over  hence the surprisingly low O-3 pilots selected for O-4.

 

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9 hours ago, DUNBAR said:

I think we're really missing the most noteworthy part of that AFPC news release.  Specifically, there is actually a duty title called "Chief of Workforce Development for the Air Force Talent Management Innovation Cell." 

I wonder if there's a Deputy Chief as well.

I wonder if their office symbol is AFPC/COWDFTAFTMIC

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2 hours ago, Homestar said:

Huh?

I'm thinking this is a way to keep pilots from requesting to be passed over. That's what my Commander thinks. Too many people wrote letters.

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Just now, Duck said:

I'm thinking this is a way to keep pilots from requesting to be passed over. That's what my Commander thinks. Too many people wrote letters.

Is that common? I mean, you're the only person I've heard of that has written a do not promote me letter.

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3 minutes ago, Homestar said:

Is that common? I mean, you're the only person I've heard of that has written a do not promote me letter.

I've had a ton of people PM me telling me they were thinking of doing the same thing. Most of the guys I know APZ write letters to make sure they don't get promoted 1 Above. Bottom line, who knows? Probably more than we think.

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I've had a ton of people PM me telling me they were thinking of doing the same thing. Most of the guys I know APZ write letters to make sure they don't get promoted 1 Above. Bottom line, who knows? Probably more than we think.
I don't think that many write letters. That said, I'm guessing after offering blanket continuation to the critical AFSCs, they saw how many people are refusing continuation and realized there was a leak they could plug.

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3 hours ago, Duck said:

I'm thinking this is a way to keep pilots from requesting to be passed over. That's what my Commander thinks. Too many people wrote letters.

We'll call it the Duck Effect. You thought you could out smart the system by asking not to be promoted but the AF needs 11Ms to fly and fill everything 11F/Bs can't be released. This gets you and others to 12 and if necessary with a strategic PCS to 14. At that point the AF can evaluate the force and conveniently at O-5. Some (not you) will choose to stay, or try to stay, possibly get passed over once (or twice) if we need to cull, and continuation to 20 to smooth things out. That gives the AF four or five opportunities to manage the force. The unfortunate reality is that unless everyone pulls a Duck, that O-5 decision point is going to be painful for people who should have left at O-4, are at 14-16 of 20, past the point of changing their retirement, and aren't continued.

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56 minutes ago, Lord Ratner said:
3 hours ago, Duck said:
they saw how many people are refusing continuation and realized there was a leak they could plug.

I believe it's this... this is my category and I've had a ton of questions if this affects me. Nope, separation orders in hand, couldn't be happier. 

 I wonder if I could change my declination of continuation with AFPC... then meet an APZ board and be promoted. Oh, no thanks. 

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17 hours ago, DUNBAR said:

I think we're really missing the most noteworthy part of that AFPC news release.  Specifically, there is actually a duty title called "Chief of Workforce Development for the Air Force Talent Management Innovation Cell." 

I wonder if there's a Deputy Chief as well.

Dude, we found out where to cut the staffs!!

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16 hours ago, Homestar said:

Is that common? I mean, you're the only person I've heard of that has written a do not promote me letter.

It is very common  Perhaps not in the circles that you run in, but there are tons of guys doing anything they can to escape from Big Blue.

The desperation is real. We're not just making it up.

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What does this do for the lt Col boards in the future?

Same number will be promoted as historically has been, meaning lower promotion percentage?

 

increased or equal percentage will be promoted?

 

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1 minute ago, bennynova said:

What does this do for the lt Col boards in the future?

Same number will be promoted as historically has been, meaning lower promotion percentage?

 

increased or equal percentage will be promoted?

 

Depends.

By law, only so many officers can be on the rolls at each grade.  That percentage fluctuates depending on authorized force strength.

Big Blue saying 100% to O-4 means they literally don't have to cut anyone.  (Why that fact exists, of course, is the great unanswered by Air Staff question).

The number of total O-5s will also be set so the culling of the herd will occur then as well.  Assuming that the herd doesn't keep finding weak areas of the fence and escape into the wild.  If the numbers then are also below requirements, then the percentages for O-5 will increase.

 

Instead of the cliché of "Will the last one leaving the Air Force please turn out the lights?," it appears that USAF is working its way toward 100% selection to general officer.

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