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Well I 7 Day opted out of T6's. thought I was safe just to find out the new cc said f u he traded upt slot only to give an altus slot cause I 7 Day opted that slot


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Would you have taken the Altus slot? I believe you can rescind your DOS. Or you could VLRAD and get back in without having to deploy for 3 years


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Since this is the PRF thread, I have a couple PRF related questions:

1) Can you point me to anywhere that has examples, suggestions, etc? I am sure someone has made a "do's and don'ts" list.

2) I am still a little confused on what can an can't be put on there.  For example, I was an Army officer before I got tired of sleeping in the dirt-should I put a line or two highlighting that seven years?

Thanks in advance.  I do have two copies of successful PRF's  but both of those guys were way more accomplished than me.

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1 hour ago, Termy said:

Since this is the PRF thread, I have a couple PRF related questions:

1) Can you point me to anywhere that has examples, suggestions, etc? I am sure someone has made a "do's and don'ts" list.

2) I am still a little confused on what can an can't be put on there.  For example, I was an Army officer before I got tired of sleeping in the dirt-should I put a line or two highlighting that seven years?

Thanks in advance.  I do have two copies of successful PRF's  but both of those guys were way more accomplished than me.

See your Grp exec--every Senior Rater has different idiosyncrasies and techniques. Knowing these ahead of time would help cut down the edit time for everyone up the chain. It would be in your leadership's best interests to advertise such techniques for this very reason.

Good luck

 

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1 hour ago, Termy said:

Since this is the PRF thread, I have a couple PRF related questions:

1) Can you point me to anywhere that has examples, suggestions, etc? I am sure someone has made a "do's and don'ts" list.

2) I am still a little confused on what can an can't be put on there.  For example, I was an Army officer before I got tired of sleeping in the dirt-should I put a line or two highlighting that seven years?

Thanks in advance.  I do have two copies of successful PRF's  but both of those guys were way more accomplished than me.

AF Portal A1 site has some stuff there, as does the AMC/A1K site.

If you can't find info there I'm 69% positive there's examples hung throughout this thread as painful as it is to reread so many pages... PM me with an email address and I will send you a couple of briefs I got over the last few years (if all else fails).

Writing PRFs can be a pain and a challenge but it's important. Personally I think it's a shame that we have "language" and "style" instead of just good ol fashioned narrative, but that's a different argument.

Chuck

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The NAF/MAJCOM should push down PRF guidance way before its due, as each GO has his/hers PRF preferences.  There are different approved formats depending on the strength of your records.  So look for that first.

Your supervisor *should* walk you through the process first and gets you started on the right path.  You'll probably have to do the dirty work yourself (annotations and text arrangements), but don't let the supervisor just toss you a couple of examples and a suspense.

Kind of like the OPRs, you are telling your story (sell your strength!) to the reviewers.

Btw, if you still have time, try to rack up some quarterly awards for the PRF.  At the squadron level, everyone are so busy that the execs oftentimes beg for self-nominations, so your chances of winning is pretty darn good.  Besides the strats on the left, the # of awards you've won helps your PRF stand out more (and the less words you'll have to pull from your OPRs).  *disclaimer* I've not been part of the MLR board.

 

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each Senior Rater has his own style for how they like their PRFs, based on their board knowledge, etc.

Top Line:  half Senior Rater comments, the other half highlighting you entire career, such as breadth of what you've done, # of #1 strats (if a lot and if not all used in the PRF), air medals, # deployments, flying hours, etc... just depends for each individual.  do not list duty titles as those can be seen in the surf and your OPRs and is a waste of space.   there is also room on top line for certain awards (if they don't fit on line 2).

Line 2:  reserved for awards, start out with DGs, school awards, then from left to right with importance... annual better than quarterly, wing better than group, etc.  denominators can be used too.  i.e. Wg CGOY (#1/102); etc.  if not everything will fit, then sometimes its appropriate to list them in lines 3 through 8...

Line 3 - 8:  annual strats should be to the left... with most important on the left.   Wg strats are usually better than Gps, better than Sq, etc.  just depends on the actual strat, who said it and what category it is.   i.e.  #4/20 Capts (Wg/CC) is probably better than #2/36 CGOs (Sq/CC).... but its a preference thing...  probably shouldn't go more than 3 strats deep per line.    oldest strats should be line 3, most recent strats towards line 8.    the right side of lines are used for OPR bullet material.  use Led XXmbrs, directed $XXB program, Commanded X member operation, etc.

Line 9:  Senior Rater comments...  the 2 best things to have on here are My X/XX Eligibles at the beginning... your CC can sneak in a current strat (if not on your last OPR) such as, currently my #4/54 Capts...   the end should also include school push, job push, and most importantly --Definitely Promote!.    even if you don't have DP checked below it.

 

 

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My buddy who was denied continuation is being told he isn't eligible for Tera.


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If he will be >15 years of service before the mandatory DOS then he has a case based on a few prior boards. However, they don't have to offer TERA.

But a call to his Congressman would be in order if he wants TERA and not the single lump sum.
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Have any passed over guys done the over the phone counseling with AFPC? If so, did you find it worthwhile or just a giant waste of time (like I suspect it probably is)?

 

Everyone I know got a few tidbits out of it but it didn't help them for their APZ. Too many "leaders" have already written off once passed over dudes.

 

There were a bunch (30 ish?) of APZ with a P this year though which is a change.

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2 hours ago, soupafly06 said:

Have any passed over guys done the over the phone counseling with AFPC? If so, did you find it worthwhile or just a giant waste of time (like I suspect it probably is)?

Giant waste of time.  They'll tell you the obvious.   Either you have a huge discriminator or your record just isn't strong and was in the bOttom x %

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16 hours ago, soupafly06 said:

Have any passed over guys done the over the phone counseling with AFPC? If so, did you find it worthwhile or just a giant waste of time (like I suspect it probably is)?

Similar theme...

Are Non-Select and Continuation Letters available? Please PM if you have advice on this scenario.

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On 6/3/2017 at 5:42 AM, pawnman said:

Well, the promotion increments have dropped to about half of what they were...so I assume it's to keep the same general timeline between the board and actual promotion dates.

My guess is the slowdown in promotion increments is due to relatively low number of folks in the '97ish year groups.

Promotion increments (in this case for O-5) are based on backfilling O-5s who've retired/been promoted/separated/died. Also, changes in AF endstrength can change things. If AF end strength does increase (as it's theoretically supposed to, under this administration), there will be more total O-5 billets to fill--but as far as I know this hasn't yet begun.

Where we are now, If comparatively few even made it to the 20 year inflection point, then there will be few needing backfill as they retire (even if only a small proportion remain on AD). 

If my hunch is correct, increments will eventually start to increase again as larger year groups reach retirement eligibility and--due to improved economy/a-word hiring/frustration with the AF in general--depart the AF in larger numbers. AF expansion--again, if it happens--will drive increments even higher still.

This will pose a further problem for the AF. Right now, folks meet the O-6 board on time around the 20 yr point. This means the super-strivers who make O-5 and O-6 two below can be pinned on at 17 yrs--that's pretty stinkin' young. If folks get out in ever-greater numbers, this means Big Blue will have to either further increase promotion rates (quality control problem) or push boards even earlier in officers' careers (experience problem--smart striver types who have little to no background for the higher-level organizations/staffs they find themselves in). Regardless, not a recipe for long-term success. 

TT

  

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2 hours ago, D_Vezencuando said:

Similar theme...

Are Non-Select and Continuation Letters available? Please PM if you have advice on this scenario.

What do you mean are they available??   Available for you to see a generic version??

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I also thought the call was worth my time. They'll go through your record to see if there are any glaring problems (depth/breadth of assignments, etc). They don't have notes from the board, but they have 10 records from the gray zone that were above the cut line to compare against yours. The two things I was told that they could guess as to why I didn't make it was no awards, and I didn't have the words "definitely promote" in my push line. I also talked with my senior rater afterwords- he didn't believe in putting "definitely promote" in a push line (there's a checkbox for that), and was somewhat surprised to hear that it was a common thing in the sample of records afpc had to brief from.

In the end, it all worked out and I made it on the next look.

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1 hour ago, jazzdude said:

 I also talked with my senior rater afterwords- he didn't believe in putting "definitely promote" in a push line (there's a checkbox for that), and was somewhat surprised to hear that it was a common thing in the sample of records afpc had to brief from.

Inexcusable. That is most definitely a thing...

Glad it worked out. 

Chuck

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Inexcusable. That is most definitely a thing...
Glad it worked out. 
Chuck


That's is pretty crazy. Maybe we should right this stuff down, so there isn't a possibility of not knowing it's a thing. At the same time, since there is a check box, why is it a thing.

DNP, P w/o DP, P w/ DP, DP w/o DP, DP with DP...now I can do zero work to group the top 20%. It was more like top 5% on that O-5 board, but whatever...

For a system that is in one way so streamlined (get school to get school), there are some seriously weird shit that still goes on.

I didn't know that was a thing...priceless. Probably said it with a straight face too...

Bendy


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AFPC over the phone counseling: I did not know that was a thing. Is that counseling limited to passed over folks only?

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4 hours ago, 1111 said:

AFPC over the phone counseling: I did not know that was a thing. Is that counseling limited to passed over folks only?

Don't know if it's limited, but it's part of the passed over process.  Name/number is listed for you to contact.  I'm surprised so many here had good experience with them, as I did not.  (They gave me no information I didn't already know).... and I knew very little at the time.

Seems to be quite a few passed over on here    Hope everyone's doing well!

 

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On 6/3/2017 at 7:46 PM, soupafly06 said:

Have any passed over guys done the over the phone counseling with AFPC? If so, did you find it worthwhile or just a giant waste of time (like I suspect it probably is)?

I did last year and made it APZ this go-round w/ a P.  It was extremely helpful in my situation.  At the very least, it will let you know if your issue is something you can fix in a year (a poorly written PRF/push line) or if it is not (bad/no recent strats or inconsistent OPR push lines).

It does take a while to get an appointment (mine was in August last year).  The lady you talk to is pretty thorough, and as far as I know, she's the only one who does it.

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On 6/3/2017 at 3:36 PM, bennynova said:

 

Line 9:  Senior Rater comments...  the 2 best things to have on here are My X/XX Eligibles at the beginning... your CC can sneak in a current strat (if not on your last OPR) such as, currently my #4/54 Capts...   the end should also include school push, job push, and most importantly --Definitely Promote!.    even if you don't have DP checked below it.

 

 

From my AFPC counseling and other sources:  for O-5, the job push should be for command...in the AF's eyes, Lt Cols are commanders, so a push for anything else is a message from your SR the you don't have the full potential to perform at the next higher grade...

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Just now, hatedont said:

You shouldn't have to call AFPC. Your leadership should be telling you how to get promoted. It shouldn't be a secret to promotion. 

My leadership sends out emails if you want feedback sessions before or after your boards. I never ask because if you are telling me now, its probably too late. 

Agreed that your leadership should be providing you feedback (mine did not when I got passed over).  I think it's helpful to have feedback outside your chain as well.  Even if your SR was on the board, they are sworn to secrecy, and may not have had records on their docket that would be right to compare yours to.  Sometimes your leadership could be actively trying to screw you over, too...

The AFPC phone call is a post mortem on your specific record compared to low selects/high non-selects from your specific board.  Your leadership is not likely to have anything that specific.

 

 

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