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Go get your trophy somewhere else, we have wars to fight and not everyone gets promoted.

You and "General" Chang keep saying this stuff... if we're so "bloated and overmanned" and you don't want us, why isn't Palace Chase a realistic option for pilots with more than a year or so left on their ADSCs?

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Trolls,

99.69% of BODN members will not be politically correct here or act like we do at work, where everything we do or say has to be measured against the potential response of some shoeclerk MEO bitch that gets her feelings hurt twice a day and thrice on her period. We say "so to speak" as a jab at said shoeclerk MEO bitch that we all hate; we like to say 69 (or 6 to 9) because it reminds us of how awesome it is to 69 a chick; we sing songs about killing our enemies because we are proud make our country safer and killing those haji mother f'ers is usually the most efficient way to accomplish that; we tell stories about our drunken escapades because there are (many) times we get drunk and live to tell about it the next day; we talk about whores because at some point in our career we have seen our bros hooking up with said whores and then seen the look on their faces after their visit to the flight doc where their dick received the rotor rooter treatment; we sing songs about certain individuals such as Mr. O'Leary, Ms. Adeline Schmitt, the S & M man, our hooker moms, pimp fathers, whore sisters, bros, sons, etc. because we choose to. It's a personal choice. You, nor the CSAF, nor anyone else can force us to think a certain way. The one thing you and everyone else at the Puzzle can do is lead by example. Stop by telling us how we are demented, rapist, immoral individuals, and threatening us with "you will be weeded out." We are not the bad guys, and we are all on the same team, remember? The good 'ole US of A.

Most of us will choose not to have our testicles surgically removed somewhere between O-4 and O-5. We will keep our warrior ethos whether you like it or not and we will talk about the aformentioned things whether you like it or not (and these two things are not necessarily related). I hope there are enough of us left in the officer corps that can and will make this Air Force a warrior minded, mission focused entity. If we can't, we will at least try. If we cannot because the machine is too big (sts), then we will move on to a civilian life where we can succeed in the private sector doing something else (hopefully related to flying).

As a previous poster eluded to, morality at the personal level can never be instituted wholesale. It is a personal decision and that's where it starts and ends. I have learned this as an O-3 Flt/CC in dealing with my subordinates, hopefully you too will learn this someday. I don't know or care who you are, who you work for, or why you have decided to troll on BODN. If someone at the Puzzle put you up to this to get a pulse on the the lower officer echelons, I suggest you actually listen to the heartbeat and stop trying to insert a heart pacemaker.

Until the next time, here's to Meg...

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Vetter, Chuck17, ChampKind, Animal, and all of you other disturbed officers out there,

Your callousness, bitterness, perversion, and outright disgusting behavior turns my stomach. YOURS are the types of attitudes that General Welsh is trying to weed out of the Air Force. He will be successful, and all of the sexist children in the Air Force will quickly find themselves out of a job (at least in uniform). You guys talk about core values in other threads?? Look at the filth you are posting! I am begging you, please reevaluate your own character before subjecting your squadron-mates to this disgusting behavior, because there will be consequences in the not-too-distant future.

You know, I often think to myself, "If my daughter wants to join the service, will I be 100% behind her when the time comes?" Reading this thread and trash that "adults in charge" are posting here gives me great pause when answering that question...

How can you identify sexual discrimination in your subordinates when you are actively practicing that type of behavior in your mind? Please meditate on & pray about what I've said here.

Holy testicles batman.

Let's cut the bullshit then. We have some fundamental disagreements, no big deal. But good lord, sack the ###### up and put your money where your mouth is. You want us out? Deal. I will be much obliged to you if you would sign my waiver personally. You make it happen on your end, and you'll have my separation papers tomorrow. But don't sit here and vilify the people who put up the ######ing numbers that got you promoted in the first place and then string them along.

As for the sexual assault witchhunt, if you think it starts with pictures and songs, I do feel sorry for you. This is a leadership issue. 1. Leaders need to step up and foster an environment in which this shit is handled appropriately. And, I can promise you that such is not the case, despite your boisterous but effectually flacid efforts. 2. Leaders need to stop deviant sexual behavior themselves if they want subordinates to follow, something about setting the example. 3. Leaders need to devote themselves to understanding the nature of this problem. Have you read the annual SAPR report and internalized key statistics from 2006-2012? Because I sure as shit did. Have you given any critical thought to how you, as a leader, can address these problems starting with the most statistically vulnerable times and situations? Because I sure as shit have. Have you discovered that the vast majority of sexual assaults occur in the Army, perpetrated by a senior male NCO against a junior enlisted female (most often between the hours of 6pm Friday and 6am Monday. Contrast this with deployed statistics which show little regard to days the week)? Have you read the Gallup poll (2010 i think but i forget off the top my head) of victims asking them which action they felt would be most effective at mitigating sexual assault? Overwhelmingly, they responded that a change in culture would be most effective. Oh wait, no they didn't, leadership enforcing standards, protecting victims, and prosecuting perpetrators was what they thought would be most effective. And by prosecuting, I mean following the law, as it was intended. You don't have the right to strip someone of their rights simply due to an accusation of sexual assault, nor does congress get to throw it's political muscle into the discussion to make itself feel better. But, that's a whole different issue So, How about for now ill just go learn up myself with that fantastic new CBT that you all feel is a suitable substitute for substantive leadership and try as hard as I can to resist the urge to sexually assault the next woman I see (that's sarcasm by the way, no need to actually send the FBI pre crime unit after me please). In the meantime, myself and several others on here are eagerly awaiting your separation approval letter via PM. Let's just leave it at that shall we?

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Trying to help get the thread back on topic. So will we see the promotion rate to major decrease in 2014 or 2015? I am a 2005 graduate and I was just wondering. Or did I miss my board already...oh snap..just joking.

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I agree with Chuck on separating the promotion process. I've suggested that we adopt a system like the US Navy. Restricted and Unreistricted Line Officers. And now that we have senior leaders on the forum I'd like to see what they think.

Simply put if the mission is to win in air, space and cyberspace then why are the operators competing with support?

The day I see a MX officer in command of a flying wing is the day I change my mind on this. And before anyone gets butt hurt this change would not impact anything other than two groups of unlike people from unnecessary competition.

The current system only propagates the current tail wagging the dog mentality.

I've flown missions with females who have used a new level of profane and crude language. They have told jokes dirtier than I have ever heard. Was I a victim of reverse harassment?

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The day I see a MX officer in command of a flying wing is the day I change my mind on this. And before anyone gets butt hurt this change would not impact anything other than two groups of unlike people from unnecessary competition.

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I've been in a flying wing that had a 14N at the helm. Not sure it went so well for the wing but said individual now has 2 stars.

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I agree with Chuck on separating the promotion process. I've suggested that we adopt a system like the US Navy. Restricted and Unreistricted Line Officers. And now that we have senior leaders on the forum I'd like to see what they think.

Simply put if the mission is to win in air, space and cyberspace then why are the operators competing with support?

The day I see a MX officer in command of a flying wing is the day I change my mind on this. And before anyone gets butt hurt this change would not impact anything other than two groups of unlike people from unnecessary competition.

The current system only propagates the current tail wagging the dog mentality.

I've flown missions with females who have used a new level of profane and crude language. They have told jokes dirtier than I have ever heard. Was I a victim of reverse harassment?

If the promotion board process split off what would stop the process from splitting again? Shouldn't AFSOC have their own promotion board? They are probably on the road more if not a little less than C-17s (Don't have the statistics.). Do the Special Forces guys and Navy Seals have a different promotion system than the rest of their counterparts? Seems like they don't stay in that long so probably not.

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Hush. Line of the AF would do with at least a look to who is included in that definition.

Edited to add, I can only speak from my experience and outlook, but if senior leadership can:

1. Quantify combat capability (for purposes of measurement, we can discuss the extent of said capability later..I get that some points could go past unclass but still)

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2. Prove the manning (personning? Did a kitten just get assaulted?) and culture decisions improved that capability, we'll all shut up and either color or get out.

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What I would honestly like to see is an AFPC-generated number of promotion allocations per AFSC. Then, the WG/CCs, Grp/CCs and other senior leaders of each AFSC get together once per year to not only vector but also decide promotions. Whether it is a promotion rate, or a specific number, I think the leaders in each community could do a much better job than the masses at a CSB. Like someone mentioned earlier, strats are absolutely not created equally. In some career fields going to the schoolhouse means you are squared away, in space it means you weren't selected for a green-door job and they have billets to fill. So the #1 instructor in the schoolhouse would probably be somewhere in the middle or bottom at the NRO or in a space control squadron. Obviously there are exceptions, but not many. I'm sure every community has nuances like that, but they are probably invisible to everyone outside of that AFSC. If pilots have a 95% rate and space is 90% for example, I'd much rather have space dudes picking that 90% than the board members now that can't understand a single one of our OPR bullets. As numbers change, promotion rates change relative to that AFSC. It allows for much more dynamic and efficient management of career fields and a better product overall IMO.

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If the promotion board process split off what would stop the process from splitting again? Shouldn't AFSOC have their own promotion board? They are probably on the road more if not a little less than C-17s (Don't have the statistics.). Do the Special Forces guys and Navy Seals have a different promotion system than the rest of their counterparts? Seems like they don't stay in that long so probably not.

I don't know if you need to go that far. I'd just prefer if the people looking at my PRF knew what a JDAM was without consulting the list of acronyms on the back of the form.

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Vetter, Chuck17, ChampKind, Animal, and all of you other disturbed officers out there,

Your callousness, bitterness, perversion, and outright disgusting behavior turns my stomach. YOURS are the types of attitudes that General Welsh is trying to weed out of the Air Force. He will be successful, and all of the sexist children in the Air Force will quickly find themselves out of a job (at least in uniform). You guys talk about core values in other threads?? Look at the filth you are posting! I am begging you, please reevaluate your own character before subjecting your squadron-mates to this disgusting behavior, because there will be consequences in the not-too-distant future.

You know, I often think to myself, "If my daughter wants to join the service, will I be 100% behind her when the time comes?" Reading this thread and trash that "adults in charge" are posting here gives me great pause when answering that question...

How can you identify sexual discrimination in your subordinates when you are actively practicing that type of behavior in your mind? Please meditate on & pray about what I've said here.

You need psychological help. Thank you for your service.

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The squadron got an email saying not to use certain acronyms on our OPRs and EPRs anymore. The WG/CC essentially said the acronyms are specifically related to our community. Also sounded like some supervisors have been using the same bullets.

For my PRF in the future can I change those acronyms out for the right term? For example change JDAM to bomb. I know you have to annotate in a spreadsheet where you derived the information from OPR wise to include in your PRF.

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For my PRF in the future can I change those acronyms out for the right term? For example change JDAM to bomb.

Yes the words can be changed. PRFs do not have to be verbatim from your reports. They simply summarize facts already in your record. You cannot introduce new facts (unless they occurred since your last report closed out) but you can certainly rephrase, combine data, etc.

Edit: Having said that, I'm not convinced JDAM is the "wrong" term for a PRF. In my opinion, that's a common enough term that can (should) be understood by non-CAF board members or at least the meaning can be generally inferred in context (depending on how it's written). There is a fine line between writing that is so technical and acronym laden as to be unreadable or not understandable to a generic CE or personnel guy and writing that is so generalized and dumbed down so as to be completely unimpressive.

I would hope that a crowd of AIR FORCE O-6s could understand a very basic weapon like JDAM. Maybe that's naive thinking. Are they telling you not to use that? If you start saying GBU-38, that's probably going to lose them, but I wouldn't think twice about using JDAM myself.

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The squadron got an email saying not to use certain acronyms on our OPRs and EPRs anymore. The WG/CC essentially said the acronyms are specifically related to our community. Also sounded like some supervisors have been using the same bullets.

For my PRF in the future can I change those acronyms out for the right term? For example change JDAM to bomb.

A PRF is nothing more than a fancy amalgamation of the salient points of your various OPRs...so, yes, you can change terms as long as you don't substantially change the meaning.

Noonan!

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The squadron got an email saying not to use certain acronyms on our OPRs and EPRs anymore. The WG/CC essentially said the acronyms are specifically related to our community. Also sounded like some supervisors have been using the same bullets.

For my PRF in the future can I change those acronyms out for the right term? For example change JDAM to bomb.

My former Gp had an approved acronyms guide we had to use when writing OPR/EPRs. You could only use a maximum of 5 that weren't on the approved guide. It made writing OPR/EPRs even more of a pain in the ass then usual but I could understand the logic. A lot of the things we do in AFSOC are pretty specific to the community; even other flying communities don't really know a lot of what we do. The idea was to make the OPR/EPR understandable by anyone sitting on a promotion board, regardless of background.

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I would hope that a crowd of AIR FORCE O-6s could understand a very basic weapon like JDAM. Maybe that's naive thinking. Are they telling you not to use that? If you start saying GBU-38, that's probably going to lose them, but I wouldn't think twice about using JDAM myself.

Ummmm... I wasn't exaggerating from my earlier post. Worked with an O-6 who sat on both O-4/O-5 boards and could not identify an F-22, F-35, C-17 or a C-5 from a picture. Even scarier was the fact that she worked in a leadership position in the Acquisitions field that was in charge of all of those MWS contracts! Granted I surely don't know any of the acronyms in the Finance world, but then again I'm not an O-6 sitting on a promotion board of the U.S. Finance Force either!

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He will be successful, and all of the sexist children in the Air Force will quickly find themselves out of a job (at least in uniform).

I think he means "sexiest".

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You and "General" Chang keep saying this stuff... if we're so "bloated and overmanned" and you don't want us, why isn't Palace Chase a realistic option for pilots with more than a year or so left on their ADSCs?

You know what ADSC stands for right? Palace Chase is a force management tool used when supply exceeds demand. Not just to allow the disgruntled and under performers the opportunity to get out early.

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Thanks Danny and ThreeHoler.

Dirk you hit the nail on the head. Someone from AFSOC sitting on a board would understand the terms but nobody else would unless they were an Intel officer. I fully understood the WG/CC point. I can envision someone thinking that a C-17 can drop JDAMs after reading a PRF.

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What's wrong with call signs?

Sexist call signs are wrong. Balls, Fingers, Crab, Porno, Nasty, Lick, Woody, Hung, Banger, etc, etc. Funny in the 8th grade. Embarrassing and unacceptable in a professional fighting force.

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