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14 hours ago, torqued said:

Heard a nasty rumor a Herc unit may be getting tagged for this in 2019. I guarantee every traditional IP's hand is spring loaded to smash the "F this I'm out" button like a contestant on Family Feud.

This ongoing I know the guard has been tagged with this since '14. It is not rumor. I believe it bounces back and fourth between guard and reserve. 

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1 hour ago, Eli said:

My info comes from the few people I know who have done it.   They told me about room inspections for the particular commander at the time.  They did get extended as to how long I don't remember what they told me, these guys did it in '15.

I just gave you your first story of someone who had to go.  Might be a rare thing due to timing but it happened.

In our unit it might be coming around again and our IPs are not volunteering, nor INs, nor ILs. This hit us in '13,'17 and another might be around the corner.  If it happens there will be a serious strain on our unit.  But maybe someone will volunteer and their talk is just hypothetical.  Although we are about to be down to only a couple of full time IPs. Every other one is an airline guy with over 20.

The 9mil is tongue and cheek as there are no Navs in the Afghan community.  So why is that position tasked?

As far as a shoot out in the ops room it has happened and it is a reality, and they did shoot air advisors, and it was an Afghan pilot. But that was 2011 so maybe things have changed, and its just other vetted and trusted Afghans who commit insider shootings in other advisor units.

Either way it is a crap program and all for naught.  Their aviation will fall apart as soon as we leave, which looks to be close.

 

You don’t know what you’re talking about.

First, Afghan aviation will not fall apart as soon as we leave. It’ll be super unsafe, but they will find a way.

Second, INs are no longer tasked for the deployment.

Third, the requirement is going from 6 x C130 guys to 3, and forecast to hit zero soon.  I know of no C130 non-vols.

Fourth, copy there is a green on blue threat and thank you for the history lesson.  However your characterization of the environment is misinformed despite the events of 7 years ago.

Finally, I know the anecdote of an ate-up active duty commander doing room inspections on some AGR mission hackers minding their own business is emotionally appealing.  But consider the possibility said AGR dudes were such disgusting slobs they attracted rodents by their poor hygiene.  I wasn’t there.  But I did see an AD commander on his hands and knees scrubbing piss stains off the floor of an AGR members room to clean it before another AGR guy occupied it the next morning.  Two sides to every story.

I don’t blame anyone who passes on an adviser gig, especially in the AGR.  I’d recommend against using your third hand years old info to argue facts with a guy currently doing the task in question.

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15 hours ago, slackline said:


Have the source document or linky? I’d just like to lay eyes on that so I can really be pissed...

https://www.esd.whs.mil/Portals/54/Documents/DD/issuances/dodi/773067_dodi_2016.pdf

Found this after I saw it referenced in a brief and the briefer’s assertion sounded strange, but turned out to be correct.

Section 3.3.

“These officers are eligible for AvIP for up to [xx] years of aviation service as long as they are assigned to...”

”(1) A Joint assignment or position on the Joint Duty Assignment List.
(2) Attending resident professional military education or a fully-funded graduate education program authorized by the Secretary of the Military Department concerned.
(3) Aviation-specific positions that must be filled by officers with an aeronautical rating.
(4) Career-enhancing assignments outside of aviation or based on the needs of the Military Services for a period not to exceed 48 consecutive months.”

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Edited YAS to show that the reg applies across all gates.

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So I read this that if the billet is an 11/12X position then you're good. I guess the AMS mail robots will get even more desperate.

 

 

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11 hours ago, Breckey said:

So I read this that if the billet is an 11/12X position then you're good. I guess the AMS mail robots will get even more desperate.

Yes, I think that’s accurate.

The problem is with jobs that are 11/12 “desired”. Since they’re not “must”-fills with aviators your AvIP will stop no matter how many gates you’ve completed.

Anyone with or looking at staying 12+ should take note as this could affect them... especially anyone looking at going to non-joint Staff, anyone taking secondary AFSCs (like FAO/PAS) or someone switching to the new 13O careerfield. Read: pay cut for filling institutional requirements.

There are probably others it affects. In general, not a worry for most aviators, but cutting off AvIP for 10-20% of folks between 12-28 YAS will def save the AF some money. Go AF.

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Sooooo... Any rumors on this year's bonus or when it'll be released?

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It’s not going to exceed 35k a year.


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3 hours ago, tac airlifter said:

You don’t know what you’re talking about.

First, Afghan aviation will not fall apart as soon as we leave. It’ll be super unsafe, but they will find a way.

Second, INs are no longer tasked for the deployment.

Third, the requirement is going from 6 x C130 guys to 3, and forecast to hit zero soon.  I know of no C130 non-vols.

Fourth, copy there is a green on blue threat and thank you for the history lesson.  However your characterization of the environment is misinformed despite the events of 7 years ago.

Finally, I know the anecdote of an ate-up active duty commander doing room inspections on some AGR mission hackers minding their own business is emotionally appealing.  But consider the possibility said AGR dudes were such disgusting slobs they attracted rodents by their poor hygiene.  I wasn’t there.  But I did see an AD commander on his hands and knees scrubbing piss stains off the floor of an AGR members room to clean it before another AGR guy occupied it the next morning.  Two sides to every story.

I don’t blame anyone who passes on an adviser gig, especially in the AGR.  I’d recommend against using your third hand years old info to argue facts with a guy currently doing the task in question.

God bless ya for doing what you're doing, but for clarification, you're arguing with a guy who is making the case it sucks.

Are you saying it's a good deal or are you just saying your facts for substantiating that it is a shit deal are better than his facts for substantiating its a shit deal?

 

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Me thinks tac airlifter's blue kool aid has stained his forehead in phallic shape.  

 

And this assessment "First, Afghan aviation will not fall apart as soon as we leave. It’ll be super unsafe, but they will find a way." 

That entire country already is fallen apart soooo ya.

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So on the AvIP front we have the AF electing to pay less than the max allowable by law (Gen Grosso memo from last summer)[edited based on three holer’s comment below]

 

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40 minutes ago, DirtyFlightSuit said:

Me thinks tac airlifter's blue kool aid has stained his forehead in phallic shape. 

Oooooooooorrrrr... maybe he know what he’s talking about and is tired of the “sky is falling” self-fellating this board is famous for. 

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At least they FINALLY fixed the technician pay and are adding locality AND special salary rate to Department of the Air Force Pilots in the GS-11 through 15 grades.

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Regarding aviation pay...there is no change to the gate months. The addition allows fliers in those specific positions to continue aviation pay even if not gate complete.

Para 3.3.b covers the rest of us in OFDA creditable positions (flying positions / API coded).


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7 hours ago, Homestar said:

Oooooooooorrrrr... maybe he know what he’s talking about and is tired of the “sky is falling” self-fellating this board is famous for. 

I do agree the sky is not falling, that all of us who have left and will continue to leave will usher no change in this Air Force.  I accept that now, even though it doesn't make me happy to.  The Air Force will chug on, it will find new bodies to fill its "slots" because either thankfully or not our nation so far has been blessed with those willing to step forward and take on that sacrifice.  

However; there is a cost for being so accepting of the sheer lunacy at the top.  Those thinking for an instance that our endeavors in Afghanistan or Iraq/Syria will have any real positive effect on this world are either lying to themselves or simpletons.  Or thinking that if we produce more pilots quicker with more VR and "innovation" that we will some how stem the flow of experience leaving the door, or that somehow that inexperience will reverse the trend of ever increasing fatal accidents is insane.  So no the sky isn't falling but our service has been lowered that much more as a result of this inability to accept these truths. 

 More will die needlessly flying aircraft that are maintained by ever increasingly stressed out mx shops, inexperienced pilots, aircraft that are vastly beyond their shelf life, and more.  

So while I accept that reality, I refuse to defend those reinforcing it as defensible or correct. 

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5 hours ago, ThreeHoler said:

Regarding aviation pay...there is no change to the gate months. The addition allows fliers in those specific positions to continue aviation pay even if not gate complete.

Para 3.3.b covers the rest of us in OFDA creditable positions (flying positions / API coded).


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That’s correct. There has been no change to AvIP since that change in 2016. Since then, aviators placed in non-flying gigs who are not assigned to one of the 4 positions above are no longer eligible for AvIP regardless of gate-months completed.

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22 hours ago, Scooter14 said:

At least they FINALLY fixed the technician pay and are adding locality AND special salary rate to Department of the Air Force Pilots in the GS-11 through 15 grades.

Heard this in the SQ the other day, too!  Looking forward to the LES in a few weeks when it takes effect...  Also, for the TECH's that are ADSC complete - and under 25 YAS - add the $18K AvB ART bonus that was approved in June.

YMMV, but the ART gig seems to be headed in a better direction for now, $$$. 

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Heard this in the SQ the other day, too!  Looking forward to the LES in a few weeks when it takes effect...  Also, for the TECH's that are ADSC complete - and under 25 YAS - add the $18K AvB ART bonus that was approved in June.
YMMV, but the ART gig seems to be headed in a better direction for now, $$$. 

Completely depends on the unit and state though. They aren’t applying those things for tech’s universally.
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On ‎12‎/‎31‎/‎2018 at 1:09 AM, Homestar said:

Oooooooooorrrrr... maybe he know what he’s talking about and is tired of the “sky is falling” self-fellating this board is famous for. 

I have one of my squadrons that flies 99.9% of their sorties AFG unilateral and the others are just as capable, we partner as needed but usually for dynamic mission sets not safety related. Green on blue is always a concern but that doesn't mean people are walking around jocked up all the time (mostly). 

As stated, it's better to have the facts from people in the know instead or running around screaming fire.

Cooter

P.S. I've got FW/RW positions open if anyone is interested!

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10 hours ago, Cooter said:

I have one of my squadrons that flies 99.9% of their sorties AFG unilateral and the others are just as capable, we partner as needed but usually for dynamic mission sets not safety related. Green on blue is always a concern but that doesn't mean people are walking around jocked up all the time (mostly). 

As stated, it's better to have the facts from people in the know instead or running around screaming fire.

Cooter

P.S. I've got FW/RW positions open if anyone is interested!

I'm in a Guard unit that my be tagged for an AFG air advisor tasking in 2019. I'm having a hard time understanding your post because I don't know what positions your speaking from or about. I may be wrong, but your post and Homestar's post seem to be defending the assignment.

Are you saying it's a good deal for a guard guy, or bad, but not that bad...?

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6 minutes ago, torqued said:

Homestar's post

I did the job as a non-vol 2012-2013. I’m not going to defend it. 

My point is that the threat of a 365 right now is way overblown by fear mongers here. 

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2 minutes ago, Homestar said:

I did the job as a non-vol 2012-2013. I’m not going to defend it. 

My point is that the threat of a 365 right now is way overblown by fear mongers here. 

That's a vague accusation. Either the threat exists or it doesn't. You acknowledge that it exists, you're just disputing your interpretation of an unspecified individual's statement of how great the threat is. Hardly qualifies an argument that the whole board is sucking it's own c^&*,

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11 minutes ago, torqued said:

I'm in a Guard unit that my be tagged for an AFG air advisor tasking in 2019. I'm having a hard time understanding your post because I don't know what positions your speaking from or about. I may be wrong, but your post and Homestar's post seem to be defending the assignment.

Are you saying it's a good deal for a guard guy, or bad, but not that bad...?

It’s not about “defending the assignment.”  It’s about not spreading incorrect second hand information on a platform many folks use as a primary tool to gather information. 

Whether advising is a good deal or bad deal depends on you.  Mine is a good deal for me personally, but I’m not a 130 guy.

if you have specific questions I’m happy to talk over PM.  

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