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3 hours ago, Homestar said:

My point is some of you sound like a bunch millennial idiots. The number of deployed billets has dropped in unison with the drawdown of forces in the region. People listing 365s as the main reason they’re getting out have a much, much smaller chance of deploying on a 365 than they did 5 years ago. You’re more likely to get your short tour by deploying with your airlift unit, or sitting at the Deid with your tanker than from a non-vol 365. 

Ops tempo issues? Fair. You wanted fewer 365? Fair. But quit using 365s as an issue. It simply isn’t the issue you make it out to be. 

Dang, it must be a burden to be such a omniscient graybeard savant.

I understand now you know better even though people are getting out and citing 365s as one of the reasons.   If you dumb down the argument to the millennial idiot level....which I know is hard....I’m sure they will stay in and better yet...return to active duty ASAP.

Come to think I’ve never had this 365 discussion with other fellow FGOs.  My fault for not doing prior research.

 

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My point is some of you sound like a bunch millennial idiots. The number of deployed billets has dropped in unison with the drawdown of forces in the region. People listing 365s as the main reason they’re getting out have a much, much smaller chance of deploying on a 365 than they did 5 years ago. You’re more likely to get your short tour by deploying with your airlift unit, or sitting at the Deid with your tanker than from a non-vol 365. 
Ops tempo issues? Fair. You wanted fewer 365? Fair. But quit using 365s as an issue. It simply isn’t the issue you make it out to be. 

You must not be up to date on how short tour credit works in modern times.


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Me too. 

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If that’s the case, run. 300 days in 18 months, no thanks.

 

 

Edit: Sorry for the thread derail, let’s get back to talking about the non-existent bonus program.

 

 

 

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If the threat of 365s is why the take rate is so low, then the take rate would have been just as low (if not lower) 6-9 years ago when there were much more 365s.  It's a perfect storm right now: Economy is doing well, airlines are hiring at higher rates than seen in the last 15+ years, the wars have not gone down to pre-9-11 rates, more queep, lack of faith in senior leadership, and on and on.  This arguing about 365s wrt to the bonus/getting out is silly...all non-vol 365 requirements could go away (most have) and the vast majority of  guys who are getting out would still get out.  

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18 hours ago, MooseAg03 said:

 

If that’s the case, run. 300 days in 18 months, no thanks.

 

Plenty of tanker pilots got short tour credit this way at the Deid.

 

18 hours ago, ihtfp06 said:


You must not be up to date on how short tour credit works in modern times.


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Oh really?  Enlighten me.

 

18 hours ago, jrobe said:

Dang, it must be a burden to be such a omniscient graybeard savant.

I understand now you know better even though people are getting out and citing 365s as one of the reasons.   If you dumb down the argument to the millennial idiot level....which I know is hard....I’m sure they will stay in and better yet...return to active duty ASAP.

Come to think I’ve never had this 365 discussion with other fellow FGOs.  My fault for not doing prior research.

 

I'm not really even sure what you're trying to say here.  Lots of people won't swim in the ocean because of the risk of sharks -- it's irrational.  People citing 365s as the reason they're getting out just aren't being rational, just like people who have a fear of flying because sometimes planes crash.  They're getting out because they're sick of leadership, low pay, the hollow force...or the ops tempo...., and the airlines are hiring.  But they're much less likely to be tasked with a 365 now than they were 5-6 years ago when they were in their first assignment.  So, that just seems like an irrational fear to me.  

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39 minutes ago, HeloDude said:

If the threat of 365s is why the take rate is so low, then the take rate would have been just as low (if not lower) 6-9 years ago when there were much more 365s.  It's a perfect storm right now: Economy is doing well, airlines are hiring at higher rates than seen in the last 15+ years, the wars have not gone down to pre-9-11 rates, more queep, lack of faith in senior leadership, and on and on.  This arguing about 365s wrt to the bonus/getting out is silly...all non-vol 365 requirements could go away (most have) and the vast majority of  guys who are getting out would still get out.  

Now, yes.  Because all faith has been lost long ago.  Their chance to make a "pivot" was lost years ago.  Now we are just bitter they ignored an easy fix long ago and have to deal with the stress of jumping ship.  I couldn't be happier with how my separation / airline employment timing worked for me but it was far from a joyful event setting myself up for it. 

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1 minute ago, Homestar said:

Plenty of tanker pilots got short tour credit this way at the Deid.

 

Oh really?  Enlighten me.

 

I'm not really even sure what you're trying to say here.  Lots of people won't swim in the ocean because of the risk of sharks -- it's irrational.  People citing 365s as the reason they're getting out just aren't being rational, just like people who have a fear of flying because sometimes planes crash.  They're getting out because they're sick of leadership, low pay, the hollow force...or the ops tempo...., and the airlines are hiring.  But they're much less likely to be tasked with a 365 now than they were 5-6 years ago when they were in their first assignment.  So, that just seems like an irrational fear to me.  

Side note, 5 of my squadron mates a few year groups ahead of me have all done 365's so I don't get your magical Unicorn bullshit.  The threat is real, and high.  So you can suck that rational.

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1 minute ago, DirtyFlightSuit said:

year groups 02 to 05 I believe.

Well, no kidding.  Those year groups were highly tasked 5-6 years ago when we had over 100,000 troops in Afghanistan.

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The first time I heard "more with less" was around 2005, incidentally this was just a few years after the ops/mx split, its been downhill ever since.  In my corner of the AF, the powers that be cut fighter production to almost nothing around 2008 which ended up dramatically increasing work load in the fighter squadrons and lowering quality of life.  Choose your reasons why, but for the moment the grass is greener on the other side, it used to just be grass.  These swings are not new, and will happen again.

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That’s weird, because I’ve had two friends in my squadron and 06 YG get tasked with 365s. AMC may have cut their 365s, but HAF and joint tastings (which MAF guys are eligible to fill) haven’t decreased from what I’ve seen. If anything, MAF guys are getting more 365s because the CAF and AETC are better able to stiff-arm deployments.


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3 hours ago, Homestar said:

I really could not care less what crap the AF peddles through its propaganda arm.  I just see what’s around me.  Everyone I know that is staying in is planning on a 365.  Some guys volunteer for one so they can control the timing/location/job and negotiate an assignment with AFPC.  

I don’t really give a crap what the AF says, I’ll believe they are making a fix when I see it.  I still am seeing guys getting “hot” for that 365 around the 15 year mark and trying to figure out how to avoid it, and ending up “volunteering” for one for the above said reasons.

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The MAF Facebook page shows 2002 STRD and earlier O-5s “hot” for 365s. It shows 2007 STRD and earlier O-4s “hot.”

 

Fence in accordingly.

 

 

Edited to correct wrong info. The MAF Facebook page has a bit more detail.

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The MAF Facebook page shows 2002 YG and earlier O-5s “hot” for 365s. It shows 2007 YG and earlier O-4a “hot.”

Fence in accordingly.


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Is this based on YG or STRDs?


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2 hours ago, Bender said:

 

They don't want you to know.

 

Edit: seriously though, it's STRD + short tours; YG just happens to kinda jive with STRD, ish, a little.

Well, that makes me feel a little more secure with two short tours and a return date in 2012.

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1 hour ago, pawnman said:

Well, that makes me feel a little more secure with two short tours and a return date in 2012.

Might need to jump on one sooner to negotiate your way out of Dyess! Otherwise they might keep you at the FTU until you're hot for one.

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56 minutes ago, brabus said:

You know who doesn't do forced 365s or useless 179s...the guard and the airlines.  Run!

The Navy Reserve does.  And the Guard/Reserve have already seen a few of those.  

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