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While I’m sure this is giving leadership too much credit, one opinion I heard today was that the continuation pay multiplier was intentionally set low in order to dissuade senior Capts and Majs from opting into the BRS, thereby “encouraging” them to stay to 20 instead.

But they’re probably just being cheap bastards.

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Keep in mind that most civilian employers don't offer a pension anymore either. So 10% auto-contribution takes place of that. So 5% plus some kind of pension isn't terrible compared to most retirement plans.

 

No idea about the airlines though. They probably give you a billion dollars and a private island.

 

 

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Looks like they went the absolute cheapest way possible with this.  According to the law, the services could offer CP anytime between 8-12 YOS, and it would be 2.5-13x base pay.  It also said the services could use it to incentivize certain stressed career fields.

And of course our innovative leaders, in the midst of a rentention crisis, elected to offer the minimum 2.5x multiplier at the longest 12 YOS time, for every single career field in the AF.

I get not offering it at 8 YOS for pilots, since it would run concurrently and add only a few months to your ADSC.  However, $18k is not going to make a difference at all in a pilot’s decision making.  It would have wise to offer pilots closer to 13x at the 12 YOS mark. 

Another swing and a miss from management.

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3 hours ago, flyusaf83 said:

Looks like they went the absolute cheapest way possible with this.  According to the law, the services could offer CP anytime between 8-12 YOS, and it would be 2.5-13x base pay.  It also said the services could use it to incentivize certain stressed career fields.

And of course our innovative leaders, in the midst of a rentention crisis, elected to offer the minimum 2.5x multiplier at the longest 12 YOS time, for every single career field in the AF.

I get not offering it at 8 YOS for pilots, since it would run concurrently and add only a few months to your ADSC.  However, $18k is not going to make a difference at all in a pilot’s decision making.  It would have wise to offer pilots closer to 13x at the 12 YOS mark. 

Another swing and a miss from management.

But look who is managing this. The same person who as seen us through all the other debacles so it’s no surprise it’s so messed up. 

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I’m shocked they released any info about the retention payment prior to the opt in cutoff date. I figured they would just make career minded folks gamble.

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I’m shocked they released any info about the retention payment prior to the opt in cutoff date. I figured they would just make career minded folks gamble.


I have no reason to be an optimist...but I’m guessing that is the “standard” rate and the AF messaging got screwed up yet again and they didn’t release targeted values yet.

If they’re only going the 2.5x route they’re in for a world of hurt.

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So, how long do you think it will be before some of the regionals are hurting so bad for talent that they offer "buy-out" options to bonus takers?

There’s an ADSC with the bonus. I don’t think a buy-out is an option unless they’re paying you to fail consecutive PT tests.

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3 hours ago, McJay Pilot said:

So, how long do you think it will be before some of the regionals are hurting so bad for talent that they offer "buy-out" options to bonus takers?

I tried this back in the 90’s. Grounded, feet on the ramp for turning down bonus, with 2 years left on ADSC.  I offered the AF a “reverse bonus”, I would pay them $25,000 for every year I owed to get out.  Blew their minds. Wing King said he wouldn’t even know where to deposit my check....

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9 hours ago, RogAir said:

Grounded, feet on the ramp for turning down bonus, with 2 years left on ADSC. 

What a fucked up way of saying "thanks for your service."  

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11 hours ago, ihtfp06 said:


There’s an ADSC with the bonus. I don’t think a buy-out is an option unless they’re paying you to fail consecutive PT tests.

I don't think the idea that it's a buy out from the bonus, but an offer better than what the AF is giving right now to entice those from taking the bonus.

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I don't think the idea that it's a buy out from the bonus, but an offer better than what the AF is giving right now to entice those from taking the bonus.

That’s easy. Match 12 yr O-4 pay (base + basic BAH) and you’re at $104k. If the regionals can do that, it’s a no brainer.

I’d speculate that most people would bail if the regionals locked you in for a year by paying for ATP and pay/bonus was in the range of 75% of that O-4 pay number.

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3 hours ago, the g-man said:

I’d speculate that most people would bail if the regionals locked you in for a year by paying for ATP and pay/bonus was in the range of 75% of that O-4 pay number.

Regionals will pay for your ATP, and pay is pretty close to 75% with their signing bonuses. Also, you aren't locked in and can quit at any time.

Envoy for example:

  • First Officers to earn $60,000 or more during their first year.
  • All Envoy new hire pilots receive up to $22,100 signing bonus, payable on their first day of training

Maybe I don't understand what you're saying. 

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29 minutes ago, BFM this said:

Average mil dude isn’t going to be at a regional long enough to keep their bonuses.

True, but it's kind of a moot point if they give up the bonus because they're getting hired at a major.

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19 hours ago, Jaded said:

True, but it's kind of a moot point if they give up the bonus because they're getting hired at a major.

Then all of that stuff you posted earlier is n/a.  Hourly rate...yum.

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Then all of that stuff you posted earlier is n/a.  Hourly rate...yum.

Not exactly you would still be taking a huge cut for the year if you have to give up that bonus because hourly at Regional is still low, and the pay while in training is lower.

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You are right.  There is a choice involved.

A) you're a mil dude, so maybe you have to do a t&g at a regional, then off to a major.  3-6 months, if you took their bonus, they want it back.  Hourly rate at year-1 for you.

B) You think the regionals have awesome bonuses, and you're hell bent on keeping the money.  You have to stay typically between 13 months and 3 years, because fuck seniority at a major.

The BL is that yes, the regionals are flashing better money than historical averages, but just like the AF's bonuses, they are retention bonuses.  Don't want to be retained?  Then you don't get to keep the $.  It's good for the .civ guys just reaching their R-ATP mins who are going to be there for 3-5yrs, but .mil guys should be prepared for some honest accounting if that's the route they end up on temporarily.  It's not free money with no strings attached.

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the point to all of this...

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I don't get your point of view. Either you get hired at a major in a year, which is a win, or you get a signing bonus which makes your pay roughly equivalent to an Air Force captain. Both are pretty good results.

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I don't get your point of view. Either you get hired at a major in a year, which is a win, or you get a signing bonus which makes your pay roughly equivalent to an Air Force captain. Both are pretty good results.

I think the original point was:
How do you receive your ATP?

Regional will pay for it, but is that worth the time you’ll waste there to get your number at a major?

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We are now over 2 months into the new FY and still no comms about this.

Any DSG or TR see the increase in flight pay on their LES, yet?

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There’s gotta be a finance officer at Afrc and ngb headquarters right? Is this really an unsolvable issue? Id have to guess it is a three minute coding issue in mypay or whatever archaic system they use. 

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10 hours ago, Chida said:

We are now over 2 months into the new FY and still no comms about this.

Any DSG or TR see the increase in flight pay on their LES, yet?

No raise for this DSG.  I talked to one of our sharp finance NCOs, who I've trusted since my SrA days, and she said a fix is being worked and is well above her pay grade.  She mentioned that AGRs and Active duty guys are good, but anyone on short term (ADOS type) orders and DSGs have not been fixed yet.  She's updated weekly on the progress and hopes that it will automatically back pay us, if not they'll have to do it manually...  

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I got a separate LES for the additional flight pay increase for a two week period a few days ago. The weird thing is that it was for Oct 16-31. Still haven't been paid for the beginning of the month and the old rate was still in my Dec check. I am on AD school orders.

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