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Duck    852

I had a buddy even try to Palace Chase his Bonus ADSC. I don't know the full details but since he is still on AD, I guess he was denied.


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ViperStud    229
1 hour ago, Steve C said:

100% valid.  And just to be clear, life is good in my corner of the AF and I fully intend to serve out my ADSC,  possibly even longer.  The issue is aging parents and in-laws.  They are holding up ok now, but it's clear that they will need additional assistance before too long.  I suppose that's pretty standard for most folks at this point.  

I understand, and that was a big factor in my decision to get out. I'm now anchored with the immediate family and in-laws within a 2.5 hour radius. I'm not defending AD per se, but a contract is a fvcking contract and I knew the possibilities ahead...so I said no. 

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ThreeHoler    413

Only guy I know to get out of his bonus ADSC was passed over 2x for O-5 and had a bonus ADSC to 21 years. They made him retire at 20 and he didn't get the full final payment.

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Duck    852
Only guy I know to get out of his bonus ADSC was passed over 2x for O-5 and had a bonus ADSC to 21 years. They made him retire at 20 and he didn't get the full final payment.

That's a great point. I actually know of a guy who signed up for the 10 year bonus and was twice passed over for O-5 so he was out around the 15-16 yearish point.


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ihtfp06    291

So what happens if your ADSC takes you to 21, but you fail your 4th PT test in 2 years right after getting to 20?


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HossHarris    525

Your commander recommends release and the board retains you and you waste a bunch of time and have to dust off the service dress. Then they find a sweet 365 for you.

 

That is, of course, assuming "they" are aware of the pilot shortage. 

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Duck    852
So what happens if your ADSC takes you to 21, but you fail your 4th PT test in 2 years right after getting to 20?


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About 2 years ago the wording of the PT AFI changed ever so slightly. Whereas it used to be an almost auto-separation, now the ball is more in the Commanders best judgement. My guess is using this technique wouldn't get you what you wanted.


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panchbarnes    163

4+ PT failures even if you have 20+ yrs TIS will result in a separation action.  You'll have to ask for a retirement waiver with AFPC to receive retirement benefits.

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Duck    852
4+ PT failures even if you have 20+ yrs TIS will result in a separation action.  You'll have to ask for a retirement waiver with AFPC to receive retirement benefits.

That's interesting because the PT AFI has that separation is an OPTIONAL action after 4+ failures (Table 14.1), but then later says that it is MANDATORY to separate after 4+ failures. Anyone want to push to test to see which one is correct?


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Sprkt69    83
14 hours ago, Steve C said:

100% valid.  And just to be clear, life is good in my corner of the AF and I fully intend to serve out my ADSC,  possibly even longer.  The issue is aging parents and in-laws.  They are holding up ok now, but it's clear that they will need additional assistance before too long.  I suppose that's pretty standard for most folks at this point.  

This is exactly why I went Guard and that was the best decision I could have ever made. 

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HossHarris    525
16 hours ago, Duck said:


That's interesting because the PT AFI has that separation is an OPTIONAL action after 4+ failures (Table 14.1), but then later says that it is MANDATORY to separate after 4+ failures. Anyone want to push to test to see which one is correct?


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flyusaf83    98

If they did this, with guaranteed O-5 (unless there are major negative indicators), no non-flying deployments, no additional duties, and $50k yr bonus, I'd stay in.

So I won't be staying in.

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cragspider    16
1 hour ago, HU&W said:

AMC/CC is looking at implementing a fly-only track.  Probably capped at O-5 and 20 years.  4-5 year PCS cycle.  Flying only.

 

http://www.military.com/daily-news/2017/07/30/air-force-gets-creative-to-tackle-pilot-shortage.html

Kinda late for this idea. How long have we been saying do something like this and get laughed at? Oh and it's still up to Lt Gen Grosso to help approve this so that's a nope not going to happen. Let's just keep passing over our pilots and keep on pulling harder back on the stick as the pilot manning continues to increase the graveyard spiral that we are currently in. 

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sling-it-17    4

Yea I agree in the recent article general everheart talked about "trying" to do some of the things we have been talking about for decades. I read a 1989 ACSC paper about pilot retention that was pretty hilarious. But the things he offered were short of what needs to be done. One example is the shift from 2-3 yrs to 3-4 yrs. That's nothing! How about 5-7 yrs at the same base? That's a real change. I was at my previous base 4 yrs, so how is this a big change?? I truly feel they are not full into the change mindset yet. Because if they were the second Gen grosso told the congressional committee on CSPAN in may that the AF was over 1500 pilots short and getting shorter the other branches generals would have been excused and the rest of the hour would have been spent on real talk not talking points....2019 is my decision year and I'm really amazed of how much talk is happening but nothing in the flying Sqs really are changing. But time will tell. Leadership doesn't need to be stingy right now on any front. More CSS troops, more bonus, more time on station, and less non flying deployments for pilots. Or the exodus will continue. CNN: Airlines are projecting hiring 5800 new pilots per year for the next 20 years.....

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flyguy595    2

Here is the bottom line for me. Take my bonus and give me a non-deploying, scheduling master, DTS ninja, ADLS signing, RAP assuring  e-2 at the 25-30k you try to sell me and I'll stay. I'll have all of my OPR's written and my little queep monster doing the extra crap the AF says their going to give the css I haven't seen. I'll be a proficient IP and spend all my time teaching co pilot chucklenuts to be a better pilot instead of SABC and writing my own medals I don't care about. Then I'll stay...maybe.

I don't care to promote or line my pockets, I want to stay and serve but the military makes it hard to serve and feel accomplished at the job you spend years training to do, so guard?

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Chuck17    211
2 hours ago, sling-it-17 said:

... and I'm really amazed of how much talk is happening but nothing in the flying Sqs really are changing. But time will tell. 

Little (if anything) will change until the crisis is deepened to the point of systemic failure - THAT is the only time systems change. Everything that's been done until now is prelude. Either we are in for a true departure from the norm, or the storm will be weathered and we will maintain the course. That's not pessimism, that's history.

Either the "old science" works, or we come up with new solutions to solve the problem, and that becomes the new way of doing business.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Structure_of_Scientific_Revolutions

Chuck

 

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ViperStud    229
34 minutes ago, ihtfp06 said:

Any word on the take rates yet? 2 months to go...

With two months to go, aren't we technically closer to the release than we are the end of the sign-up window?  Sad state of affairs when you're dealing with a "crisis" and only have the bonus sign-up window open ~1/3 of the FY.

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cragspider    16
1 hour ago, ViperStud said:

With two months to go, aren't we technically closer to the release than we are the end of the sign-up window?  Sad state of affairs when you're dealing with a "crisis" and only have the bonus sign-up window open ~1/3 of the FY.

You mean we are almost 9 months out from the release of the FY18 announcement and 11 months out from the date you can sign up.  You are correct though when they can't even get the bonus out on time to get guys to stay. Gee I wonder why people aren't taking the bonus? Maybe we don't even take them seriously anymore when they aren't trying to get guys to stay in longer. 

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Dogs-N-Guns    2

They moved where they post the numbers, but you can still look them up with a CAC. It looks to be a little worse than last year, but the numbers are padded with the early-signers. Since there is no early option for FY17, the real effects probably won't be seen until FY18.

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ihtfp06    291
They moved where they post the numbers, but you can still look them up with a CAC. It looks to be a little worse than last year, but the numbers are padded with the early-signers. Since there is no early option for FY17, the real effects probably won't be seen until FY18.

Are the 1, 2, 5, 9, and 13 yr options broken out or all lumped together?

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