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akang2006    1

I hear some ANG AGRs received a bonus plan via email. Anyone care to share? I'd love to see some details (unless it will give the Soviets the competitive advantage in pilot retention).

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herkbum    126
I hear some ANG AGRs received a bonus plan via email. Anyone care to share? I'd love to see some details (unless it will give the Soviets the competitive advantage in pilot retention).


Will send once I dig up email


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Prozac    229
On 6/15/2017 at 10:36 AM, raimius said:

Fix the QoL issues and people will not demand massive pay increases (so long as people have a "comfortable" upper-middle class base pay).  You'll still lose people looking for better pay, but probably not at an unsustainable level.

OR

Compete with the airlines for pay.  You'll still lose people looking for QoL, but maybe you'll get sustainable numbers.

OR

Fix both and actually have a surplus of pilots (...and unicorns might shower you with pots of gold...)

So....golden unicorn showers?

 

 

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Termy    59

I have a question:

Why is there a tafms restriction for Afrc but not for the ANG?

Id ask Afrc myself but they didn't put a single way to contact anyone on the message. 

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Smokin    145
On 6/14/2017 at 8:43 PM, Jathor said:

Don't forget that that reup will come with its own ADSC.  Early eligible found that out the hard way this year.  Sign up early you can get renegotiate, but it adds an extra year of service commitment without the extra year of pay.  5 years at $25k = $125k.  5 years at $30k + an extra one year service commitment without extra pay comes out to an amazing $25k per year.  They got us good.  Dirty pool AF.

I just read a story about that.  I'd consider having a lawyer look over the verbiage and see if that's legit.  When I looked at the early eligible option when on active duty, it didn't say anything about extending your ADSC.  Total horseshit like that is why guys are leaving.  Telling about some of the AF leadership's true colors when they hide stuff like that in something that is supposed to increase retention.  Is the AF still confused as to why dudes are punching right and left?

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Homestar    360
16 minutes ago, Smokin said:

I'd consider having a lawyer look over the verbiage...

From what I've heard on the MAF FB page the lawyers looked at the NDAA and decided that the AF had to do it this way to comply with the law Congress wrote. 

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Thinking about taking the 1-2 year option. Any advice? 


It's only good for 1 or 2 years. Don't count on the ability to sign up again for a longer duration or a higher bonus (without more strings/ADSC attached). You'll be at the mercy of the 2018/2019 program later f you so choose.


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ToyotaMC1    13
31 minutes ago, ColoradoAviator said:

 


It's only good for 1 or 2 years. Don't count on the ability to sign up again for a longer duration or a higher bonus (without more strings/ADSC attached). You'll be at the mercy of the 2018/2019 program later f you so choose.


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I'll be at my 19 year mark when the commitment runs out if I take the 2 year option.

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Jaded    387
55 minutes ago, ToyotaMC1 said:

Thinking about taking the 1-2 year option. Any advice? 

Are you going to stay in regardless? Take the bonus.

Do you want to get out right now? Don't take the bonus.

If you have 17 years in, the correct answer is get an AGR job for 3 years, take the AGR bonus, retire with an AD retirement at 20 years and chaff 3 years of AD bullshit. I assume, though, that that ship has already sailed.

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Mojo    0
3 hours ago, Homestar said:

From what I've heard on the MAF FB page the lawyers looked at the NDAA and decided that the AF had to do it this way to comply with the law Congress wrote. 

The JAGs at SAF/GC are the ones claiming that the early takers owe an additional one year extra to get this year's bonus. That does not mean that every lawyer agrees with that idea (l do not agree that an extra 12 months are required since that is no where in the NDAA). There's a FBI group for "early take avb action group" if anyone is interested or would like to assist. 

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ToyotaMC1    13
56 minutes ago, Mojo said:

The JAGs at SAF/GC are the ones claiming that the early takers owe an additional one year extra to get this year's bonus. That does not mean that every lawyer agrees with that idea (l do not agree that an extra 12 months are required since that is no where in the NDAA). There's a FBI group for "early take avb action group" if anyone is interested or would like to assist. 

My ADSC ends on 28 June. I signed up for the bonus on MyPers today. When AFPC actually sends me the paperwork I will let you guys know whether an extra year was added or not. 

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ihtfp06    291
4 hours ago, ToyotaMC1 said:

My ADSC ends on 28 June. I signed up for the bonus on MyPers today. When AFPC actually sends me the paperwork I will let you guys know whether an extra year was added or not. 

The extra year is for those who said yes2bonus last year under the early eligible program.  Those who opted to sign up early last year at 5 or 9 years for 25K have the option now to amend their deal to the higher $ amount, but at the cost of an extra year of ADSC. 

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Homestar    360
5 hours ago, ihtfp06 said:

The extra year is for those who said yes2bonus last year under the early eligible program.  Those who opted to sign up early last year at 5 or 9 years for 25K have the option now to amend their deal to the higher $ amount, but at the cost of an extra year of ADSC. 

So my understanding is that early signers will get one payment of $25k then 9 payments of $30k (for MAF pilots). Hence the additional year ADSC since they'll be getting 10 years of payments. 

Or they could stay in their current contract and receive 9 payments of $25k and get out at 20 YAS. 

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ihtfp06    291
8 minutes ago, Homestar said:

So my understanding is that early signers will get one payment of $25k then 9 payments of $30k (for MAF pilots). Hence the additional year ADSC since they'll be getting 10 years of payments. 

Or they could stay in their current contract and receive 9 payments of $25k and get out at 20 YAS. 

The way I read the PSDM, I think it's actually one payment of $25K, 8 payments of $30K, and the last year is unpaid.  10 years of ADSC, but only 9 years of pay.

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Homestar    360
8 minutes ago, ihtfp06 said:

The way I read the PSDM, I think it's actually one payment of $25K, 8 payments of $30K, and the last year is unpaid.  10 years of ADSC, but only 9 years of pay.

That probably depends on if you have reached your bonus date yet. 

Eidt to add: I believe signing the $30k/yr bonus has to be for a length equal to or greater than the original contract. So, one year at $25k (original contract) and 9 years under the new $35k/yr contract. I may be wrong though. 

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sqwatch    404

Why should the AF pay an individual- who already named their price for an extended commitment last year with the ridiculous early commitment program- more money without incurring an additional commitment?


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Herk Driver    218
Why should the AF pay an individual- who already named their price for an extended commitment last year with the ridiculous early commitment program- more money without incurring an additional commitment?

 

 

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The unintended consequence of signing up early...the first of many, I suspect.

 

 

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Duck    852

On the bright side, all of you who took the early bonus have proved to Big Blue your undying loyalty! That should be a reward enough!


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ihtfp06    291

I think it's pretty funny that a certain relative of the CSAF is a member of the "Early take AVB action group." You would think he would have been given a craniums up that his bonus was gonna go from 25 to 35 if he waited to be initial eligible.

Edit for fighter pilot speak.

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Smokin    145
11 hours ago, sqwatch said:

Why should the AF pay an individual- who already named their price for an extended commitment last year with the ridiculous early commitment program- more money without incurring an additional commitment?


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It makes sense to the AF because the AF used that as an additional carrot to get guys to take the early signup.  If a guy was sure he was staying in, he gets money as soon as his commitment is up (could be big difference if he graduated UPT early in the FY).  Without the carrot that you could get the larger amount if the amount increased during your normal year, many guys last year wouldn't have taken the early option on rumors of bigger money next year.  The AF wants guys to sign early as it provides them predictability and keeps them from starting to think about other options (generally bad for the AF these days).  Based on both parties getting something out of the deal, it makes sense.  That is, until the AF bends the guys over...  

How many guys do you think are going to do the early sign up this year now that this is public?

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Bender    166

Latest JQP speaking to the early eligible AvB extra year re-up: "It’s about a group of the service’s most fired-up officers extending inadvisable trust to their chain of command, and that chain of command proving their trust inadvisable."

I signed my bonus (only God knows why), fully thinking I could resign upping the amount (during the already contacted years) and if I chose, extending the length of the contract at that new amount...

It was not just early eligibles here...I have no personal input into attempts to renegotiate my agreement, because I haven't yet. I'm not really feeling like dealing with it is even worth the $2,250 after taxes, and I'm not sure exactly how happy I'm going to be when my (new) commitment expires, but things like this conversation make me think it won't be too hard of a transition.

I won't even mind being my buddy's first officer at Delta, Fed Ex, or the other million places there are already at.

I'm going to ing nail that first officer job! It's going to be great, trust me. So great...

Bendy


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Hacker    674
40 minutes ago, LookieRookie said:

srk.jpg

 

Found this patch in a consignment shop. Any of you old hats around when this first was made?

That is a late 80s/early 90s patch.

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