Hunter Rose Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 (edited) On 9/11/2017 at 8:38 PM, TnkrToad said: I don't think it's public. All the data, down to each airframe, is posted on AFPC Secure, though. Go to AFPC Secure, then select RAW. In RAW, select Static Demographics. From the list of all the docs, you'll find one that says FY17 ACP Take Rates (or something like that--I'm not using a CAC-enabled computer right now). They break the data down in about 69 different ways--to include numbers of eligibles and takers (both short and long) for each individual MDS. That was an interesting read. The take rates are abysmal. Especially for the folks eligible for a second bonus. AF is not going to shore up their pilot numbers with that idea unless they start offering A LOT more money. Edited September 13, 2017 by Hunter Rose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BashiChuni Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 only thing thatll save the AF is a bear economy for a few years...which historically will happen within the next 5-10 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prozac Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 1 hour ago, BashiChuni said: only thing thatll save the AF is a bear economy for a few years...which historically will happen within the next 5-10 years Even if there is an economic downturn, airline hiring will likely continue at a fairly brisk pace just to cover retirements. Pilot retention will be a challenge for the foreseeable future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BashiChuni Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 36 minutes ago, Prozac said: Even if there is an economic downturn, airline hiring will likely continue at a fairly brisk pace just to cover retirements. Pilot retention will be a challenge for the foreseeable future. I hope so! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 Senate passed the house version with amendments. I didn't see any amendment striking the House's 50k bonus, so hopefully that made it though. Hopefully a full text of what the Senate passed with amendments will be published soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sling-it-17 Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 HR2810 did pass by the senate but the passed amendment 1032 sec 617 says bonus is to remain at 35k. So house and senate bills disagree, we'll see what actually gets signed by the POTUS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sling-it-17 Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 So a conference committee will be formed to resolve differences between the house and senate bills. Then voted by both senate and house before the POTUS signs....I don't know how everyone else feels but, I don't think it will get bumped up this year. Maybe next year after they see their "talks about changes" aren't having an effect on the retention numbers... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThreeHoler Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 It won't get bumped until McCain dies or retires. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SurelySerious Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 7 hours ago, ThreeHoler said: It won't get bumped until McCain dies or retires. I may never understand his contempt for compensating the volunteer force sts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LookieRookie Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, SurelySerious said: I may never understand his contempt for compensating the volunteer force sts. Because you're supposed to cheat on your first wife and then shack up with a millionaire heiress to make your money. Edited September 20, 2017 by LookieRookie Grammar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SurelySerious Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 47 minutes ago, LookieRookie said: Because you're supposed to cheat on your first wife and then shack up with a millionaire heiress to make your money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TnkrToad Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 Just checked the ACP take rates, and thought I'd note a couple things: The overall take rate for initial bonus eligibles is still pretty abysmal--barely over 40%. The initial take rates for 11Fs & 11Rs are especially poor--both less than 40%. A glimmer of hope is that take rates for 11Ss & 11Hs are high (both over 55%). Their take rates have historically always been high, though, so this is hardly cause for celebration. If one factors in the old guy (NC & CE) bonus takers, though, things change a bit. More 11Fs have taken the old guy bonus than have initial eligibles; even though the 11F community is undermanned, at least its old farts are willing to hang around. This provides at least some hope that the 11F community might eventually get healthy. The 11H & 11S communities likewise had healthy old guy bonus take rates. Even though (last I checked) they're chronically undermanned, they will have substantially more stability than they would have otherwise without the old guy bonus. The 11R & 11M communities are screwed. Not only do they have low initial eligible take rates, but their old guy bonus take rates are abysmal, too. If neither the mid-career guys nor the grey beard O-5 types want to stay in, then all that'll be left in the squadrons will be high career-potential CCs & DOs leading a bunch of O-1s to O-3s who're merely biding their time until they reach the ends of their respective SUPT commitments and can get out. Not a recipe for success, in the near or long term. It'll be especially interesting when AMC starts picking its O-6s and above, not based on quality, but rather on simply who is left and can fog a mirror. Based on the stats, I presume the same is or will be true in the 11R community--leadership selection by virtue of one's mirror-fogging ability--but as an 11M, I'll just stay in my lane and hope for the best for the C2ISR types. TT 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neontico Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 New text is up: https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/115/hr2810/text/pap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neontico Posted October 21, 2017 Share Posted October 21, 2017 (edited) 1,000 pilot recall in the works... https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/story/785344001/ Edited October 21, 2017 by neontico Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sqwatch Posted October 21, 2017 Share Posted October 21, 2017 If only there were an entire thread on this topic- a thread with links that work and don’t take me to a spam site. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neontico Posted October 21, 2017 Share Posted October 21, 2017 55 minutes ago, sqwatch said: If only there were an entire thread on this topic- a thread with links that work and don’t take me to a spam site. That was odd.. fixed it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny Powers Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 Has anyone seen the increase in flight pay yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skosh Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 29 minutes ago, Kenny Powers said: Has anyone seen the increase in flight pay yet? Yep I got an extra $17 on my mid-month pay... thanks for the 12-pack of Sam Adams, AF! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Champ Kind Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 Has anyone seen the increase in flight pay yet? Yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImNotARobot Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 Check your LESs Reservists. The 12-22 yr demographic is having issues. I’m still on the old flight pay for Oct, and FM is telling us “it must be a table problem from DFAS, we’ll create a ticket and have them fix it”. Glad it’s actually working for the AD guys though. At least a few get what’s owed on time. Better than none! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herkbum Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 Nothing yet 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genie90 Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 My Oct mid month was $68.05 more than mid month for Sep, which would be about right for the increase (ANG AGR). Final Oct LES should drop tomorrow on the 25th... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FourFans Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 (edited) 13 hours ago, Kenny Powers said: Has anyone seen the increase in flight pay yet? Yes Edited October 25, 2017 by FourFans130 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MooseAg03 Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 Another $50/month before taxes, that’ll sure make it harder to leave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BashiChuni Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 just saw my $50 increase...where can i sign up for another 10?! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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