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Anyone used Turo on a TDY and gotten reimbursed?

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I thought there was a general TDY thread but I can't find it (if it exists).

Has anyone used Turo on a TDY instead of going through a traditional rental car company?  If so, have you gotten reimbursed?  If I can find a nice car on Turo for the same price as the shitbox Hertz is going to give me, why can't I use Turo instead?

For those of you unfamiliar with Turo, it's basically AirBnB for cars. 

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35 minutes ago, ThreeHoler said:

Because you’ve been directed to use DTS for hotels and transportation?

...  what?

BADFNZ, as you will find, because it's new and different - it's bad. If your orders say a rental car is authorized, one would think a rental is a rental is a rental. But be prepared to justify it. A Constructed Travel Worksheet Authorization may work.

https://www.defensetravel.dod.mil/CnstTvl/CT_Authorization_Instructions.pdf

 

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Because the .govs red tape works at the pace of a tortoise.  When we get the "new and improved DTS" in 16-19 years, you may be able to use these "new" and convenient things like orbitz and Turo.   

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Because you’ve been directed to use DTS for hotels and transportation?


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This. Your AO may approve it, but there’s no guarantee.
Likewise, I’d be cautious about using Airbnb for lodging. The JTR mandates staying at places that meet fire code, and there’s a memo floating around that says Airbnbs should not be used due to the fact that their standards/compliance are not verified.


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Gonna go get your Doug Demuro on?  If your ANG ask your finance dude, if your AD, good luck, Davis Monthan has 13 people that review it until you get paid, YMMV.

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We got shut down on Airbnb and the like even when it saves money.  Bummer. 

 

FWIW, everywhere I've been Turo has been crazy expensive for anything decent. 

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I thought the AirBnB memo was rescinded.  Just talk to your AO though, if you gave me a constructed travel worksheet I’d let it fly.

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You think rental car lobbyists spent all that money in D.C. lobbying the pentagon on JTR just to let you use your Turo app to get a car? Same goes for hotel lobbyists. 

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I'm basically trying to work it like declining on-base lodging. 

If Hertz is going to charge me $50/day for a Kia, I'd rather find something with some balls for a little more money and I'll pay the overage.  Insurance won't be an issue because Turo covers that, so I'm not sure which AirBnB "fire code" excuse they can pull.  The only hangup I can see here is it's different and new, which frightens DTS Nazis.

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The Joint Travel Regulations (JTR) directs you to the least-expensive, compact-sized rental vehicle offered by a company with a DTMO rental car agreement. And since the JTR has the full force and effect of law, it’s good to stay within its confines.


Fifteen seconds Googling “DTS rental car” led to an answer.

Note the key words “with a DTMO rental agreement.” So, if Turo has one of those then you’re good to go. If they don’t? Well, it depends on your AO and the people who audit your travel.


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12 hours ago, Homestar said:

You think rental car lobbyists spent all that money in D.C. lobbying the pentagon on JTR just to let you use your Turo app to get a car? Same goes for hotel lobbyists. 

Likely the most honest answer.

 

6 hours ago, ThreeHoler said:

Note the key words “with a DTMO rental agreement.” So, if Turo has one of those then you’re good to go. If they don’t? Well, it depends on your AO and the people who audit your travel.

 

Like so many things in the military.   I've recently run into a few interesting examples of this where some places can do things while others can not do the exact same thing...all because of who is doing the auditing and how they are interpreting the laws.  Beyond ridiculous!

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Like so many things in the military.   I've recently run into a few interesting examples of this where some places can do things while others can not do the exact same thing...all because of who is doing the auditing and how they are interpreting the laws.  Beyond ridiculous!

It would help if the laws were interpretable to begin with. The JTR has so many contradictions that two competent people can read it, and come up with entirely different answers, with neither being objectively wrong.

DTS/JTR are also not designed for aircrew. I once flew a mission where I stayed in expensive locations, but went 3-4 days straight airborne at 12am. This caused all those days to be “en route”. When we finally had a location that counted for Per diem, it was Gander, at something like $41.

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I realize I'm justifying this to the wrong audience, but here's what I've found that tells me this might be legal:

1.  JTR 020209.A says "a traveler must obtain a rental vehicle through an electronic system when it is available or through the TMC when it is not available". Turo is 100% an electronic system. 

2.  JTR 020209.B says "a traveler is reimbursed the cost of the authorized or approved rental vehicle".  So if I'm authorized a $50 Kia, I should be reimbursed for a $50 Kia, regardless of what I car I get if it is more expensive.

3.  JTR Table 2-8 says "If a traveler does not obtain the rental vehicle through a TMC (basically CTO) then reimbursement is limited to what the rental vehicle would have cost if it had been obtained through a TMC".  So I should be reimbursed the rate of a compact if I would have gone through CTO.

So if I lawyer my way through the JTR, it looks like as long as I:

-Get a rental authorized through DTS

-Book through the Turo ap separately

-Don't exceed the cost of the authorized compact (if I do, I'll be on the hook for the difference)

Then I should be able to justify the Turo rental. 

Leeeeerrrooyyyyyyyyy Jenkkkkiiinnnnsssssssss

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3 hours ago, BADFNZ said:

Then I should be able to justify the Turo rental. 

Leeeeerrrooyyyyyyyyy Jenkkkkiiinnnnsssssssss

I think it was Huggy who said he fairly recently retired and never had a GTC, so I guess anything is possible.  Start blazing that trail!

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4 hours ago, BADFNZ said:

I realize I'm justifying this to the wrong audience, but here's what I've found that tells me this might be legal:

1.  JTR 020209.A says "a traveler must obtain a rental vehicle through an electronic system when it is available or through the TMC when it is not available". Turo is 100% an electronic system. 

2.  JTR 020209.B says "a traveler is reimbursed the cost of the authorized or approved rental vehicle".  So if I'm authorized a $50 Kia, I should be reimbursed for a $50 Kia, regardless of what I car I get if it is more expensive.

3.  JTR Table 2-8 says "If a traveler does not obtain the rental vehicle through a TMC (basically CTO) then reimbursement is limited to what the rental vehicle would have cost if it had been obtained through a TMC".  So I should be reimbursed the rate of a compact if I would have gone through CTO.

So if I lawyer my way through the JTR, it looks like as long as I:

-Get a rental authorized through DTS

-Book through the Turo ap separately

-Don't exceed the cost of the authorized compact (if I do, I'll be on the hook for the difference)

Then I should be able to justify the Turo rental. 

Leeeeerrrooyyyyyyyyy Jenkkkkiiinnnnsssssssss

As many people here have said, it’s up to your RA. I would run all of this by them first. My current RA is a good bro and uses commen sense. Unfortunately many are not, and get pressured from the group/wing to be strict, some are just dicks, and then you have to worry about how big of a stickler the finance guy will be that reviews the accounts. 

 

My best advice would be to do what your rank/career/desire to fight the man can handle. Is it worth months of hassle, being “that” guy, and meeting with leadership over a free rental Kia? I would say no, but to each their own.  I personally have had a decent success rate of just being extra nice to the rental car person and asking for a bigger/nicer car because of “all the luggage and driving” I have to do. 

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