Jump to content
Baseops Forums
Lifer

Going ANG/Res after passed over twice for Lt Col in AD

Recommended Posts

I’m a MAF guy and my goal is to get an AD retirement at this point and just looking for opinions on what I should do. Have a few questions as well if you have time  

Does getting passed over twice for Lt Col affect me geting in the guard/reserves?

Is it easier to get an AGR position in the guard or reserves, or at certain bases, etc?

Is it worth the hassle to rush a unit, trough/bum, then be an ART with the hopes of getting an AGR position or should I just stay AD and ride out the next 5 years  

Anyone know anyone who got out after being passed over twice and regret it and/or wasn’t able to get a 20 year retirement that wanted it. 

Thanks!

Edited by Lifer

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Remember you don't have to do the next 5 years back to back...another option is get the airline apps going, grab a TR job/fly for airline X for a bit, then go on 5 years orders to finish out your 20 while airline seniority climbs. It probably will be easier to grab a TR job than an AGR right out the gate, but every unit is different.  Fuck ART, no point in doing that since you already know AD retirement and GTFO of the AF is your goal.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I talked to a few reserve guys (all in the same unit) and they made it very clear to me that they believed getting an active duty retirement in the guard or the reserves was a myth. They said the unit and the AF would never allow it. Something about not letting you enter sanctuary; not giving you active orders if it puts you in your last two years prior to 20.

Thoughts? That advice is what has kept me in, but maybe it’s dated now, because this conversation keeps coming up.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

How soon can the Guard put you up for O-5 when you have been twice passed over on AD? I heard as long as you don’t have a break in service, and you have the TIG and appropriate PME, they can put you up immediately. True?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
I talked to a few reserve guys (all in the same unit) and they made it very clear to me that they believed getting an active duty retirement in the guard or the reserves was a myth. They said the unit and the AF would never allow it. Something about not letting you enter sanctuary; not giving you active orders if it puts you in your last two years prior to 20.
Thoughts? That advice is what has kept me in, but maybe it’s dated now, because this conversation keeps coming up.


A lot depends on the unit. My old wing, where I was a member for over 26 years, never had a DSG that I know of retire with an AD retirement. Other wings in the state have. Talked to FSS at my new wing last week and they had done 2 in the past few years.

It all depends on the mission. Old wing is now RPAs and they have to adapt to the changes. I know someone that will soon press-to-test. Wish him the best and he should, without a doubt, receive it since he has earned it. I also know of other states where DSGs have gotten AD retirements.



Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network mobile app
  • Upvote 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

One thing you should understand is they'll make you sign a sanctuary waiver to get orders, but that doesn't stop you from getting an AD retirement... It just stops you from invoking sanctuary to stay on orders for the purposes of getting an AD retirement. At least in my neck of the woods, there is always someone with MPA days and an unfilled need for dudes.

  • Upvote 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
I talked to a few reserve guys (all in the same unit) and they made it very clear to me that they believed getting an active duty retirement in the guard or the reserves was a myth. They said the unit and the AF would never allow it. Something about not letting you enter sanctuary; not giving you active orders if it puts you in your last two years prior to 20.

Thoughts? That advice is what has kept me in, but maybe it’s dated now, because this conversation keeps coming up.

Highly depends on the unit. I’m going to walk away with an AD retirement as are many others in my unit. Some through AGR, some through ADOS, some just by troughing on MPA days and deployments. Keep in mind we are all over the 15 year mark. How long will that last? Who knows.

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
7 hours ago, Klepto said:

I talked to a few reserve guys (all in the same unit) and they made it very clear to me that they believed getting an active duty retirement in the guard or the reserves was a myth. They said the unit and the AF would never allow it. Something about not letting you enter sanctuary; not giving you active orders if it puts you in your last two years prior to 20.

Thoughts? That advice is what has kept me in, but maybe it’s dated now, because this conversation keeps coming up.

You were not told the truth.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
How soon can the Guard put you up for O-5 when you have been twice passed over on AD? I heard as long as you don’t have a break in service, and you have the TIG and appropriate PME, they can put you up immediately. True?

True except you don’t have to have the PME done.
  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

True except you don’t have to have the PME done.

How long does it take to get the whole thing processed and get the promotion order?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

You’ll meet the next reserve or guard promotion board as long as there’s no break in service. You can get on Mypers to see the schedule of boards.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On 10/23/2018 at 1:40 PM, Duck said:


How long does it take to get the whole thing processed and get the promotion order?

In the ANG, it's about a six month timeframe from when the unit submits the paperwork to getting the order.  It's a byzantine process called Federal Recognition (Fed Rec) and I'm in no way qualified to explain it here.  I've just watched the process unfold from the unit perspective enough times to know what the limfac is and the rough timeline.  So, my story on a guard promotion is that I got off active duty with only four years TIG as a Capt.  When I joined the Guard unit, they asked how much TIG I had and then without batting an eye told me they were submitting my promo paperwork.  That was in November and I saw the promo order in April or May if I remember correctly.  I also know a reservist who was passed over for O-5 on active duty and he's not only an O-5 now but also a squadron CC and could make O-6.   Now, I would say that it will be best to find a unit that is under manned in your crew position.  That will make the promo chances better as well as the opportunities for orders and a possible AGR tour.  

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now



×