What is next for the UPT-Next graduates?

[JimNtexas 18]

What is the path from Bergstrom to a weapons system for these new pilots?

https://www.aetc.af.mil/News/Article/1593411/flying-training-reimagined-as-first-ptn-class-graduates/

[hindsight2020 411]

Direct to Viper (Kelly). Feedback so far is not good. But this is third hand RUMINT so don't quote me. 

 

[Buddy Spike 813]

33 minutes ago, hindsight2020 said:

Direct to Viper (Kelly). Feedback so far is not good. But this is third hand RUMINT so don't quote me. 

 

Don't tell me how to live my life.

[dream big 302]

Is this going to be one of those “too big to fail” programs where there is downward pressure to pass these students along?

[IDALPHA 35]

27 minutes ago, dream big said:

Is this going to be one of those “too big to fail” programs where there is downward pressure to pass these students along?

Yes.

[Majestik Møøse 417]

3 hours ago, hindsight2020 said:

Direct to Viper (Kelly).

Wait, you’re serious? How many T-6 hours? Skipping T-38s and IFF? This can’t be real.

[JRBac 4]

22 minutes ago, Majestik Møøse said:

Wait, you’re serious? How many T-6 hours? Skipping T-38s and IFF? This can’t be real.

60-100 T-6 hours, I don't know this dude's numbers specifically. It's real.

[Jaded 460]

Do these guys get extended f-16 syllabi or do they operate under the same one as normal UPT grads? 

[Magnum 35]

14 minutes ago, Jaded said:

Do these guys get extended f-16 syllabi or do they operate under the same one as normal UPT grads? 

My money is on the abbreviated syllabus that ends with an FEB at sometime before BFM-5.

[brabus 811]

They're in a program that's evaluating their ability to do a normal b course. Only admin flying, no grades, no bust vs. pass, etc. If the IPs think they could hack a normal b course syllabus they'll go, else they go back to phase 3 and from there it's standard syllabus (e.g. further emphasis on producing numbers and not quality pilots). As long as this is allowed to be an objective experiment, it's not a bad thing. But obviously it becomes bad if they are forced along by leadership to make the experiment a "success." 

[Spaceballs 20]

Where do they go next?

 

Back to UPT.

[ayz33 16]

Is this intended to eventually replace UPT completely? If so, do they have a timeline for implementation if it is successful?

[BashiChuni 736]

42 minutes ago, ayz33 said:

Is this intended to eventually replace UPT completely? If so, do they have a timeline for implementation if it is successful?

No. 

[brabus 811]

3 hours ago, Spaceballs said:

Where do they go next?

 

Back to UPT.

Possibly to viper b course if it's determined they're likely to pass. If not, they'll go to normal phase 3 UPT (38s).

[MooseAg03 343]

Should be Phase 3 GPT - they already have wings.


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[SurelySerious 572]

3 minutes ago, MooseAg03 said:

Should be Phase 3 GPT - they already have wings*.

 

[MooseAg03 343]

But they invited the family and had a ceremony, that makes it official.


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[LookieRookie 181]

3 hours ago, MooseAg03 said:

Should be Phase 3 GPT - they already have wings.


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If they need T-38 training they are going to the T-38 Transition course at Randolph then IFF at Randolph.

[Justonethought 27]

MooseAg ans Surely,

critique these guys/gals wings all you want.  Would you like us to critique RPA wings also?

[Fuzz 497]

"Faster but same"

[MooseAg03 343]

MooseAg ans Surely,
critique these guys/gals wings all you want.  Would you like us to critique RPA wings also?

Of course we can critique RPA wings, they are “operators” not pilots. I know because I did it for years.

My point was that they are no longer considered Undergraduate aviators if they have pilot wings, so why send them to Phase 3 UPT.


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[LookieRookie 181]

5 minutes ago, MooseAg03 said:

Of course we can critique RPA wings, they are “operators” not pilots. I know because I did it for years.

My point was that they are no longer considered Undergraduate aviators if they have pilot wings, so why send them to Phase 3 UPT.


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Check above. They won't go to Phase III. They would do a T-38 TX course at Randolph that already exists for Toner Bros that get fighters later in life 

[17D_guy 506]

4 hours ago, Fuzz said:

"Faster but same"

Sarcasm noted.  However, AFWERX is not kidding with breaking shit and finding non-bureaucracy hindered solutions.  They've done some interesting things so far.

[Fuzz 497]

I have nothing against AFWERX but calling for ideas when the PTN v1.0 outbrief is still not released and making the claim to make pilots faster with the same quality is putting the cart before the horse. The degredation in quality in new pilots who actually flew planes before they got their wings is evident so I can't wait to see how these ones perform.

[viper154 187]

On 9/18/2018 at 3:18 PM, Justonethought said:

MooseAg ans Surely,

critique these guys/gals wings all you want.  Would you like us to critique RPA wings also?

Ya actually. Every time a 18x er says they are a “pilot” I have no problem pointing to their wings and correcting them.  I’ve been stuck in drones for 3 years, the 18x product is not a pilot. It’s a glorified system manager.

Do they bring a lot to the current fight? F ya they do, probably more than 95% of the current manned platforms, but do they risk life/limb? Or have the training manned dudes have? Hell no. They can’t transit frome point a to b in the AOR without having a published route, don’t get me started on system knowledge. 

 

Take that weak ass shit out of here.