JimNtexas 19 Report post Posted September 15, 2018 What is the path from Bergstrom to a weapons system for these new pilots? https://www.aetc.af.mil/News/Article/1593411/flying-training-reimagined-as-first-ptn-class-graduates/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hindsight2020 419 Report post Posted September 15, 2018 Direct to Viper (Kelly). Feedback so far is not good. But this is third hand RUMINT so don't quote me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Buddy Spike 825 Report post Posted September 15, 2018 33 minutes ago, hindsight2020 said: Direct to Viper (Kelly). Feedback so far is not good. But this is third hand RUMINT so don't quote me. Don't tell me how to live my life. 1 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dream big 303 Report post Posted September 16, 2018 Is this going to be one of those “too big to fail” programs where there is downward pressure to pass these students along? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IDALPHA 48 Report post Posted September 16, 2018 27 minutes ago, dream big said: Is this going to be one of those “too big to fail” programs where there is downward pressure to pass these students along? Yes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Majestik Møøse 452 Report post Posted September 16, 2018 3 hours ago, hindsight2020 said: Direct to Viper (Kelly). Wait, you’re serious? How many T-6 hours? Skipping T-38s and IFF? This can’t be real. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JRBac 4 Report post Posted September 16, 2018 22 minutes ago, Majestik Møøse said: Wait, you’re serious? How many T-6 hours? Skipping T-38s and IFF? This can’t be real. 60-100 T-6 hours, I don't know this dude's numbers specifically. It's real. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jaded 461 Report post Posted September 16, 2018 Do these guys get extended f-16 syllabi or do they operate under the same one as normal UPT grads? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Magnum 36 Report post Posted September 16, 2018 14 minutes ago, Jaded said: Do these guys get extended f-16 syllabi or do they operate under the same one as normal UPT grads? My money is on the abbreviated syllabus that ends with an FEB at sometime before BFM-5. 3 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brabus 861 Report post Posted September 16, 2018 They're in a program that's evaluating their ability to do a normal b course. Only admin flying, no grades, no bust vs. pass, etc. If the IPs think they could hack a normal b course syllabus they'll go, else they go back to phase 3 and from there it's standard syllabus (e.g. further emphasis on producing numbers and not quality pilots). As long as this is allowed to be an objective experiment, it's not a bad thing. But obviously it becomes bad if they are forced along by leadership to make the experiment a "success." 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spaceballs 25 Report post Posted September 17, 2018 Where do they go next? Back to UPT. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ayz33 19 Report post Posted September 17, 2018 Is this intended to eventually replace UPT completely? If so, do they have a timeline for implementation if it is successful? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BashiChuni 775 Report post Posted September 17, 2018 42 minutes ago, ayz33 said: Is this intended to eventually replace UPT completely? If so, do they have a timeline for implementation if it is successful? No. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brabus 861 Report post Posted September 17, 2018 3 hours ago, Spaceballs said: Where do they go next? Back to UPT. Possibly to viper b course if it's determined they're likely to pass. If not, they'll go to normal phase 3 UPT (38s). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MooseAg03 354 Report post Posted September 17, 2018 Should be Phase 3 GPT - they already have wings.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SurelySerious 579 Report post Posted September 17, 2018 3 minutes ago, MooseAg03 said: Should be Phase 3 GPT - they already have wings*. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MooseAg03 354 Report post Posted September 18, 2018 But they invited the family and had a ceremony, that makes it official. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LookieRookie 189 Report post Posted September 18, 2018 3 hours ago, MooseAg03 said: Should be Phase 3 GPT - they already have wings. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk If they need T-38 training they are going to the T-38 Transition course at Randolph then IFF at Randolph. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Justonethought 27 Report post Posted September 18, 2018 MooseAg ans Surely, critique these guys/gals wings all you want. Would you like us to critique RPA wings also? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fuzz 497 Report post Posted October 6, 2018 "Faster but same" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MooseAg03 354 Report post Posted October 6, 2018 MooseAg ans Surely, critique these guys/gals wings all you want. Would you like us to critique RPA wings also?Of course we can critique RPA wings, they are “operators” not pilots. I know because I did it for years.My point was that they are no longer considered Undergraduate aviators if they have pilot wings, so why send them to Phase 3 UPT.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LookieRookie 189 Report post Posted October 6, 2018 5 minutes ago, MooseAg03 said: Of course we can critique RPA wings, they are “operators” not pilots. I know because I did it for years. My point was that they are no longer considered Undergraduate aviators if they have pilot wings, so why send them to Phase 3 UPT. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Check above. They won't go to Phase III. They would do a T-38 TX course at Randolph that already exists for Toner Bros that get fighters later in life Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
17D_guy 525 Report post Posted October 6, 2018 4 hours ago, Fuzz said: "Faster but same" Sarcasm noted. However, AFWERX is not kidding with breaking shit and finding non-bureaucracy hindered solutions. They've done some interesting things so far. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fuzz 497 Report post Posted October 6, 2018 I have nothing against AFWERX but calling for ideas when the PTN v1.0 outbrief is still not released and making the claim to make pilots faster with the same quality is putting the cart before the horse. The degredation in quality in new pilots who actually flew planes before they got their wings is evident so I can't wait to see how these ones perform. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
viper154 199 Report post Posted October 7, 2018 On 9/18/2018 at 3:18 PM, Justonethought said: MooseAg ans Surely, critique these guys/gals wings all you want. Would you like us to critique RPA wings also? Ya actually. Every time a 18x er says they are a “pilot” I have no problem pointing to their wings and correcting them. I’ve been stuck in drones for 3 years, the 18x product is not a pilot. It’s a glorified system manager. Do they bring a lot to the current fight? F ya they do, probably more than 95% of the current manned platforms, but do they risk life/limb? Or have the training manned dudes have? Hell no. They can’t transit frome point a to b in the AOR without having a published route, don’t get me started on system knowledge. Take that weak ass shit out of here. 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
