Guest Posted August 11, 2018 Share Posted August 11, 2018 WO billets come from officer numbers.When the E-8 and E-9 ranks were created, the AF killed the WO billets to accommodate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThreeHoler Posted August 11, 2018 Share Posted August 11, 2018 When the E-8 and E-9 ranks were created, the AF killed the WO billets to accommodate.No shit. But WOs count against officer billets regardless of what the AF did after getting rid of WOs.HAF has said multiple times that WOs won’t come back. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SurelySerious Posted August 11, 2018 Share Posted August 11, 2018 43 minutes ago, ThreeHoler said: No shit. But WOs count against officer billets regardless of what the AF did after getting rid of WOs. And this is what every discussion started by enlisted guys about how making them WOs would solve all problems is missing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuggyU2 Posted August 11, 2018 Share Posted August 11, 2018 1 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herkbum Posted August 11, 2018 Share Posted August 11, 2018 4 minutes ago, HuggyU2 said: Easy now-but I do know quite a few that may resemble that remark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17D_guy Posted August 11, 2018 Share Posted August 11, 2018 4 hours ago, SurelySerious said: And this is what every discussion started by enlisted guys about how making them WOs would solve all problems is missing. Plus...civilians are "cheaper" in the long run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarleyQuinn Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 (edited) Oh, father time catches up to us all. These folks sold Top Gun, they could sell a Space Force: Edited August 17, 2018 by HarleyQuinn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waveshaper Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 Report to Congress on How to Create a U.S. Space Force (finally, some "official" details covering this Space Force stuff); https://fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/IF10950.pdf 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prosuper Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 On 8/11/2018 at 12:08 PM, SurelySerious said: And this is what every discussion started by enlisted guys about how making them WOs would solve all problems is missing. IMHO I will give a enlisted POV. Lets say you have a 15 year TIS MSgt who is the go to guy for whatever Sq he is in, for the sake of argument a Aircraft MX Sq since that is my background. He is great at making sure today's schedule has jets to full fill the contracted request from Ops. Deploys more than his fair share and works the crummy shift . His troops are trained and ready. Now this same NCO gets called into the E-9's office to discuss his future, gets berated for not taking part in the Top 4 activities, not being at the last 4 years Xmas parties (deployed), no bake sales, and only going to PME graduations if he has a troop graduating. No Senior Rater endorsement for you. You leave the office thinking that guy is a douche bag and why the hell would I ever want to be a Chief. Then your thinking its going to be a long 5 years . Now the USAF has this option of the WO program, its a no brainer. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sua Sponte Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 On 8/11/2018 at 2:55 PM, 17D_guy said: Plus...civilians are "cheaper" in the long run. Less flexible to utilize as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17D_guy Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 3 hours ago, Sua Sponte said: Less flexible to utilize as well. Not if you write the PD correctly, and hire correctly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoungnDumb Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 Which the AF won't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nsplayr Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 https://www.airforcetimes.com/news/your-air-force/2018/10/04/report-trump-may-fire-air-force-secretary-wilson-over-space-force/ BLUF: Secretary Wilson May get fired over slow rolling Space Force 😑 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HU&W Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 (edited) So, it’s official. It’s in the NDAA. And there’s a website. https://www.spaceforce.mil Looks like everyone that was in AFSPC is now in the USSF. They’re still Airmen in the Air Force, but will transition in the next 18 months Edited December 21, 2019 by HU&W Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SurelySerious Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 18 minutes ago, HU&W said: So, it’s official. It’s in the NDAA. And there’s a website. https://www.spaceforce.mil Looks like everyone that was in AFSPC is now in the USSF. They’re still Airmen in the Air Force, but will transition in the next 18 months That website feels like, “oh, crap...this is happening? Uhhh, copy-paste...copy-paste. Generic line about being under the secaf sts. Do we have a logo?” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gearhog Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 I'm gonna go ahead and say lunar deployments suck and the astronaut bonus is an insult. 3 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HU&W Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen, Marines, and _________? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SurelySerious Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 19 minutes ago, HU&W said: Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen, Marines, and _________? Spacepersons 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPAWNmaster Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 (edited) Quote Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen, Marines, and _________? Edited December 21, 2019 by SPAWNmaster 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck17 Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 7 hours ago, HU&W said: Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen, Marines, and _________? This, along with uniforms and the logo, are the main things being talked about outside the USSF launch team, actually. (Not even joking. If you can’t do something impactful, better do something visible...). So far the lead contenders are “Vangaurds”, and “Sentinels”. Sounds a bit space-adventurey/2001-ish if you ask me. Im surprised they aren’t considering other options... Chuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HU&W Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 1 hour ago, Chuck17 said: This, along with uniforms and the logo, are the main things being talked about outside the USSF launch team, actually. (Not even joking. If you can’t do something impactful, better do something visible...). So far the lead contenders are “Vangaurds”, and “Sentinels”. Sounds a bit space-adventurey/2001-ish if you ask me. Im surprised they aren’t considering other options... Chuck As much as it seems it shouldn’t, these things matter. Look at the stumbles in the AF over the last 30 years in logo/motto/slogan/creed/uniforms as we’ve tried to balance modernization with heritage and culture (all while fighting for relevance). They need to get this right, so heritage and culture can grow from the start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herkbum Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen, Marines, and _________?https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/2c13dde1-6649-47a7-909e-b124b6b93052Space-e-menSent from my iPhone using Baseops Network mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homestar Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 2 hours ago, Chuck17 said: So far the lead contenders are “Vangaurds”, and “Sentinels”. Sounds a bit space-adventurey/2001-ish if you ask me Obviously the motto must be “To infinity....and beyond!” 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prosuper Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 11 hours ago, HU&W said: Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen, Marines, and _________? Star troopers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skitzo Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 Obviously before the officers are commissioned they will be designated “Space Cadets.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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