Guardian Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 What goes around comes around. TAMI 21. No remorse for what the AF did to itself and continues to do. 3 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bode Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 Are fighter SQ/CCs not all 2 BPZ like in the B-1? Is ours more competitive because there are only 3 ops, 1 FTU, and 2 OSS slots available?I can say where I am one of two T6 commanders is a 2-below. The other is a 1-below. Old OSS CC was on time but I think the new one is a 1-below. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VMFA187 Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 On 4/12/2018 at 7:04 AM, ClearedHot said: The GAO is out with a new report sounding the alarm of the Fighter Pilot shortage across DoD. Fully 1/4 of all Fighter Pilot billets are now empty. There were some interesting gems in the report like how the Navy tried to normalize some of the shortages by EXTENDING deployments. Also, over the past four years over 1/3 of the USAF's Fighter Pilots have elected to leave the service. In the Marine Corps Hornet community there are single and two-seat squadrons. Our East Coast Hornets and now all going to composite single and two seat squadrons. This is not occurring because of a better way to manage flight time on the few flyable airframes, but simple because there are not enough company grade officers to fill all of the ground billets so WSOs are now going to squadrons where there will likely be no jets for them to maintain currency simply to do ground duties. Picked up my DD-214 this morning. 9 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guardian Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 So not pilots doing additional duties instead of pilots is the way I read it. Winning for some. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClearedHot Posted April 13, 2018 Author Share Posted April 13, 2018 56 minutes ago, VMFA187 said: Picked up my DD-214 this morning. Congrats and thank you for your service. Semper Fi. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guardian Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 Congrats and thank you for your service. Semper Fi.I second. Thanks for raising your hand. Best of luck in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuzz Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 20 hours ago, VMFA187 said: ....so WSOs are now going to squadrons where there will likely be no jets for them to maintain currency simply to do ground duties. Picked up my DD-214 this morning. I really want to know what idiot comes up with this idea and then what admiral signed off on this. Also congrats and best of luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremiahWeed Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 20 hours ago, VMFA187 said: In the Marine Corps Hornet community there are single and two-seat squadrons. Curious. Do the single seat aircraft do the same mission as the two seaters (and what are those missions)? Do I understand correctly that the jets are assigned to the same squadron? Do pilots fly a single seater one day and a two seater (with WSO, RIO, whatever) the next day? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTB Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 22 hours ago, VMFA187 said: Picked up my DD-214 this morning. Congrats! What's your plan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SurelySerious Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 1 hour ago, JeremiahWeed said: Curious. Do the single seat aircraft do the same mission as the two seaters (and what are those missions)? Do I understand correctly that the jets are assigned to the same squadron? Do pilots fly a single seater one day and a two seater (with WSO, RIO, whatever) the next day? Tick off scheduling, end up in the family model every flight. Sounds terrible. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremiahWeed Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 2 hours ago, SurelySerious said: Tick off scheduling, end up in the family model every flight. Sounds terrible. Send the WSO to go call the crew van on his 02 mask tester in life support and step without him? 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VMFA187 Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 5 hours ago, JeremiahWeed said: Curious. Do the single seat aircraft do the same mission as the two seaters (and what are those missions)? Do I understand correctly that the jets are assigned to the same squadron? Do pilots fly a single seater one day and a two seater (with WSO, RIO, whatever) the next day? 4 hours ago, RTB said: Congrats! What's your plan? Two seat Hornets conduct FAC(A), all other missions are shared. OCA, DCA, CAS, SCAR/AR, and AI. Yes, both single and two seat jets will be assigned to a single squadron. Yes, I believe that is how it will go - Depending on what jets maintenance has up will determine if WSOs go flying. All USMC Hornet pilots go through the RAG (FTU) as single seat pilots. Once they get to a fleet squadron (whichever squadron needs a new pilot) determines if they then fly in a single or two seat Hornet. A pilot can transition back and forth between single and two seat squadrons as his career progresses. That’s how it has been traditionally. RTB, I’m looking at federal law enforcement. Was incredibly interested in Guard fighter units as a Hornet IP but had a medical hiccup 1.5 years ago that might put that in question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoungnDumb Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 Does going back and forth between single and two seat jets cause any CRM issues? I know the Strike bros speak highly of a good WSO (and equally bad about bad ones). I'm just wondering if there is any difficulty for the pilots when they deal with the WSO/NFO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VMFA187 Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 It’s not as bad as you think because all pilots are trained to be single seat and all the jets are mech’d the same - You can safe the back seat and do the entire flight in a two-seat Delta safe’d up. We always conduct a 3-5 minute TCC brief if we’re flying with a WSO to hammer out responsibilities. Bottom line, a great WSO can be an immense help in a complex CAS or AI environment but an average or poor WSO will be a significant degradation to SA at all times. For A/A, I don’t think even a great WSO provides an added benefit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pilot Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 2 hours ago, VMFA187 said: For A/A, I don’t think even a great WSO provides an added benefit. Goose does not approve 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VMFA187 Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 9 hours ago, FlyArmy said: Goose does not approve Say what you will, and perhaps you’re a better pilot than I. My SA is degraded and my recall is less accurate when I’m not operating all of our displays and systems exclusively and the one issuing targeting. But I always appreciate a solid TG reference! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremiahWeed Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 15 hours ago, VMFA187 said: It’s not as bad as you think because all pilots are trained to be single seat and all the jets are mech’d the same - You can safe the back seat and do the entire flight in a two-seat Delta safe’d up. For A/A, I don’t think even a great WSO provides an added benefit. Annnnnnnd that right there, ladies and gentlemen says it all in a nut-shell!!! Single seat A/A - sport of kings. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VMFA187 Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 3 minutes ago, JeremiahWeed said: Annnnnnnd that right there, ladies and gentlemen says it all in a nut-shell!!! Single seat A/A - sport of kings. Nothing like coming in for the 500kt break after doing a 4vX with three of your best friends against PL-12 shooters! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nunya Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 16 minutes ago, VMFA187 said: Nothing like coming in for the 500kt break after doing a 4vX with three of your best friends against PL-12 shooters! If pilots did more of that and less of everything else, they wouldn't be stampeding the exit door for a job flying 136kt ILS finals. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTB Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 28 minutes ago, nunya said: If pilots did more of that and less of everything else, they wouldn't be stampeding the exit door for a job flying 136kt ILS finals. Truth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuggyU2 Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 2 hours ago, nunya said: ... stampeding the exit door for a job flying 136kt ILS finals. 136?? Apparently, you don't fly the 737-900ER. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe1234 Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 10 hours ago, nunya said: If pilots did more of that and less of everything else, they wouldn't be stampeding the exit door for a job flying 136kt ILS finals. I've never bought that line of reasoning. I think it's more about the fact that it's pretty f*cked up to turn down a massive improvement in income and quality of life to drag your family from base to base, suffering through deployments and taking a massive paycut just because you want to wear a bag and go fast. 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springer Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 (edited) 12 hours ago, nunya said: If pilots did more of that and less of everything else, they wouldn't be stampeding the exit door for a job flying 136kt ILS finals. Ummmm, I did a 170kt break this afternoon in my RV which was paid for by my job flying 136kt ILS finals. Edited April 16, 2018 by Springer 2 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nunya Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 8 hours ago, joe1234 said: I've never bought that line of reasoning. I think it's more about the fact that it's pretty f*cked up to turn down a massive improvement in income and quality of life to drag your family from base to base, suffering through deployments and taking a massive paycut just because you want to wear a bag and go fast. Certainly there's more to it than 500kt breaks, but most deployments fall under the "everything else" category. OAIX or OTBH stan-eval for 365 isn't exactly Mav-worthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTB Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 8 hours ago, Springer said: Ummmm, I did a 170kt break this afternoon in my RV which was paid for by my job flying 136kt ILS finals. Curious...did you build it or buy it already built? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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