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BTLflyer, you will indeed have to renounce your citizenship. I was in the same boat as you, just the other way round (US citizen by birth but UK citizen as well due to my father being born there)

You'll want to contact the British embassy in D.C. to start the process soon as it takes some time. HM government charged me $700 for the privilege as well so look forward to that.

If you have any questions shoot me a PM. I went through that process a few years ago and should be able to answer any questions you might have.

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Seeing how you have been at CBM for some time you should know your first mistake was assuming anything at the CBM MPF was correct. I make sure my house is stocked up on liquor before I attempt to do anything in that office. Ask to talk to the SSgt in charge in the back, very nice and the only person who has any clue what is going on.

The best part of the CBM MPF is how they handle every PCS like it's the first one they've ever seen... At a base that PCSs 450+ students/year

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The best part of the CBM MPF is how they handle every PCS like it's the first one they've ever seen... At a base that PCSs 450+ students/year

Ummmm, right.... Welcome to every MPF in the USAF.

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I was recently selected in the 13OT04 board and was a dual citizen. My recruiter sent me this. Essentially all I did was mail everything I had to the foreign embassy in D.C. With a letter stating my intent and for them to destroy my stuff. Hope it helps.

"Here's what I found in our regulations. It seems straight forward:

2.21. Requirements for Dual Citizens:

2.21.1. For enlistment purposes, the US does not recognize dual citizenship. Individuals who claim dual citizenship must renounce their citizenship to another country and relinquish any foreign passports to qualify for enlistment.

2.21.2. Applicants wishing to terminate dual citizenship status must write a statement renouncing their citizenship to another country and mail (using registered or certified mail) any foreign passports to the respective embassies and provide the postage receipt to MEPS or destroy (in the presence of MLS) prior to processing.

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That was extremely careless, but I wouldn't worry. I don't think the FBI will care. 

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34 minutes ago, gearpig said:

I accidentally took a SIPR computer to Starbucks and surfed Russian porn sites.

Later that night, while I was at the pub, someone broke into my car and stole it.

Should I worry?

New security clearance questions:

"Have you sent more than 8 emails with TS material using your Gmail account?"

"No"

"Congrats, here is your TS/SCI"

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It just requires a one time meeting with the AG to clear things up, so as long as you've got that scheduled, NBD.

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FBI Director: we're not filing charges, but we're very disappointed with you.  We're going to write your name on the chalk board and put a check mark next to it! 

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5 hours ago, Fuzz said:

New security clearance questions:

"Have you sent more than 8 emails with TS material using your Gmail account?"

"No"

"Congrats, here is your TS/SCI"

The limit on Gmail TS emails will be higher since it would be more secure than a private server.

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Why am I not surprised at the resurrection of this thread because of the FBI decision on Hillary? :moon:

But these recent comments would probably be more appropriate in the 'WTF?' thread...

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Question for the security pros of Baseops:

I recently commissioned, and got a job with a contractor until I go on active duty and go to UPT (on inactive status until next year). I have a completed and adjudicated TS background investigation, but my clearance is "inactive"(correct term?) since, according to the AF, I don't have a need to use it and haven't been given the proper security training. Activating my clearance (at least the Secret part, that's all I need) would open up a lot of doors for me at this job in the meantime, but the guys here are super worried that taking control of my clearance and activating it would raise lots of red flags and problems for me down the road. Can't say I blame them.

Has anyone been through this process before and can shed light on how to proceed? Is there anyone in particular I/the company should contact about this, or am I SOL? I already tried discussing with my ROTC Detachment personnel (who still have all my paperwork), but they are pretty in the dark about the DoD security clearance apparatus. Any help is greatly appreciated.

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Question for the security pros of Baseops:

I have a completed and adjudicated TS background investigation, but my clearance is "inactive"(correct term?) since, according to the AF, I don't have a need to use it and haven't been given the proper security training..

I've never heard of a situation like this (or an "inactive" clearance), but I can tell you that your clearance has nothing to do with training. It's strictly a background check. If he doesn't respond, you may want to PM M2 and see if he has words.

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1 hour ago, Toro said:

I've never heard of a situation like this (or an "inactive" clearance), but I can tell you that your clearance has nothing to do with training. It's strictly a background check. If he doesn't respond, you may want to PM M2 and see if he has words.

What if he wants a backseat F-15E ride?

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So meta.

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What if he wants a backseat F-15E ride?

Oh, he's definitely f***ed.

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On 7/14/2016 at 3:37 PM, 172 wannabe said:

Question for the security pros of Baseops:

I recently commissioned, and got a job with a contractor until I go on active duty and go to UPT (on inactive status until next year). I have a completed and adjudicated TS background investigation, but my clearance is "inactive"(correct term?) since, according to the AF, I don't have a need to use it and haven't been given the proper security training. Activating my clearance (at least the Secret part, that's all I need) would open up a lot of doors for me at this job in the meantime, but the guys here are super worried that taking control of my clearance and activating it would raise lots of red flags and problems for me down the road. Can't say I blame them.

Has anyone been through this process before and can shed light on how to proceed? Is there anyone in particular I/the company should contact about this, or am I SOL? I already tried discussing with my ROTC Detachment personnel (who still have all my paperwork), but they are pretty in the dark about the DoD security clearance apparatus. Any help is greatly appreciated.

The background check should determine that you are "eligible".  Once you are eligible, then you have to have a need to know to gain access to whatever classified you're working with.  It shouldn't be "inactive"...you just aren't currently "read in" to whatever program you need.  

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On 7/14/2016 at 3:37 PM, 172 wannabe said:

Question for the security pros of Baseops:

I recently commissioned, and got a job with a contractor until I go on active duty and go to UPT (on inactive status until next year). I have a completed and adjudicated TS background investigation, but my clearance is "inactive"(correct term?) since, according to the AF, I don't have a need to use it and haven't been given the proper security training. Activating my clearance (at least the Secret part, that's all I need) would open up a lot of doors for me at this job in the meantime, but the guys here are super worried that taking control of my clearance and activating it would raise lots of red flags and problems for me down the road. Can't say I blame them.

Has anyone been through this process before and can shed light on how to proceed? Is there anyone in particular I/the company should contact about this, or am I SOL? I already tried discussing with my ROTC Detachment personnel (who still have all my paperwork), but they are pretty in the dark about the DoD security clearance apparatus. Any help is greatly appreciated.

I am a bit confused, why would your company not want to process your clearance?  It should not have any affect on your clearance once you get on active duty. 

You are correct in that while you have completed your TS background investigation, you technically don't have a clearance until you are in a position that requires one.  However, you are eligible for one that your current company would submit you for.  Once that is done, you'll "read in" for the clearances you need and once approved, you should be G2G.

Feel free to PM me if you want to discuss offline.  Don't bother with your ROTC det as they simply help you complete the necessary paperwork.  Your company security officer or SSO would be your best point of contact.

Cheers!  M2

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Thread bump.

Anyone with recent guard experience shed light on security clearance? Is TS required before you get to UPT? Before you commission?

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No. But you'll need to get the investigation done at some point as TS will likely come up at some point in the near term once you are at your ops squadron...depending on aircraft/mission of course. 

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26 minutes ago, brabus said:

No. But you'll need to get the investigation done at some point as TS will likely come up at some point in the near term once you are at your ops squadron...depending on aircraft/mission of course. 

As of right now, the squadron only requires a secret (C-130). But some of the tribal knowledge seemed to indicate a TS would be received initially anyway.

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Then Secret is all you need.  If you are ever assigned into a billet or deployment role that requires one (say WIC or a lengthy trip to the Deid AOC), then you'd start the process.  However, they do take time, but the fall back for that is an interim TS that can be granted, if you're worthy. 

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Very possible you get TS initially and they let it lapse after 5 years. Regardless, the lack of it won't stop you from UPT or I imagine RTU either (based on only a secret required at the ops unit)  

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It seems to me that there is a problem with the understanding the definition of the terms here.  To get a clearance, you first have to have a completed security investigation. Certain types of investigations are necessary for different levels of clearances, and the type of investigation is determined by the anticipated clearance level of the projected duty .  For instance a NACLE will allow up to Secret, while an SSBI will allow up to TS and above (i.e. SCI accesses).  The investigation type is determined by the sponsor depending on level needed for your anticipated future job.  A completed investigation does not give you a clearance, only the eligibility (assuming adjudication is favorable)  After the investigation, the report is sent to an adjudication authority, who evaluates the report and decides if the results warrant giving you a clearance (i.e., decides whether or not you are a security risk or not). If the adjudication is positive, you become eligible for a clearance.  Eligible doesn't mean you have a clearance, only that you are allowed to get one if needed. For rated officer entry selects, an SSBI investigation is normally done, although in today's backlogged system, for OTS people it is sometimes not completed prior to graduating.  For ROTC it depends on timing but the investigation should be complete by graduation and commissioning.  But, you still don't have a clearance, only the eligibility for one.  Somewhere down the road you arrive at your first duty station.  There, you will be placed in a specific position on the unit's manning document, and each position has a clearance level associated with it. For a UPT student, the positions are coded for a Secret clearance (or used to be) so upon arrival you will be given a Secret clearance. The fact that your SSBI investigation makes you eligible for TS does not matter if the manpower position only requires a Secret clearance.  By the way, an IP coming in from another unit where he/she held a TS, will be downgraded to a Secret in most cases because an IP has no need for TS clearance in an IP slot (unless he/she will also be doing some addition duty for the Wing that has a higher clearance requirement, which is probably fairly uncommon).  That may be different for CSO or ABM training if their syllabus works with more classified content. For the rest of your career, your clearance may go back and forth as you move from job to job, even within the same unit on occasion..

As for the "inactive" comment, if you move to a job where no clearance is needed (get out of the service, for instance, or leave ROTC (commission, but do not go directly onto active duty) your clearance would be suspended (inactive), but can be regained quickly when you return to active duty as long as you are within the period of your investigation's validity (i.e., if the SSBI requires a re-investigation every five years, and you've been off active duty/ROTC training status for only a year, the original SSBI would still be valid and allow for your unit to re-establish a clearance when you process in...no additional investigation required.

 

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