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Ever send an email to finance or comm and your issue get fixed right away? Compare that to going into said office and standing there in front of the person’s desk till it’s fixed? 
 

Virtual is good but it can’t replace the impact of face to face. 

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Last 6 flights I flew between DFW-Narita or DFW-Paris, max passenger load was 43, min load was 20. 

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3 hours ago, TreeA10 said:

Last 6 flights I flew between DFW-Narita or DFW-Paris, max passenger load was 43, min load was 20. 

wow...are you supplementing at all with additional cargo (not even sure if that's a thing)?

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4 hours ago, Day Man said:

wow...are you supplementing at all with additional cargo (not even sure if that's a thing)?

Yes, we are carrying cargo but I've not paying attention except for my last flight which was back from Paris. We had 24Klbs and someone said we needed 28Klbs to break even but I can't verify that. I'm flying a cargo only flight later this month to London and next month to Incheon so we'll see how those look. 

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I think there is definitely room for the pax guys to grab more cargo if they can find a way to fit it on the planes, at least for the long haul stuff. We are leaving dozens of cans in HKG every day and now flights are canceling due to aircraft and crew availability. We’re constantly leaving Asia stuffed to the gills. I haven’t left SZX, HKG, or ICN under 980K in months. From what I understand the freight costs are going through the roof. I would imagine you could fill the belly of a 777 or 787 out of Asia pretty easily right now. 

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17 hours ago, Prozac said:

I think there is definitely room for the pax guys to grab more cargo if they can find a way to fit it on the planes

Don't forget that, in the days/months between when international pax flying was shut down, and when the pax carriers decided they were going to conduct some cargo-only flights to keep the revenue stream open, the freight forwarding companies that were previously using the pax carriers still needed to move their product.

UPS and FX (and I have to assume Atlas, Kalitta, ATI, Western Global, Sky Lease, and anyone else who picked up that slack) were all in quite a position of power when those forwarders pivoted to them to move their freight. I know FX, at least, rather than just take on that business temporarily, signed multi-year contracts with those freight forwarders.

I'm sure there are smart business folks at the other cargo haulers as well who would have also penned longer-term relationships with the freight forwarders, rather than just picking up the work during COVID and allowing it to go back to the pax carriers when the capacity came back.

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"There's no money in cargo" - Rono Dutta, President, United Airlines, 99-02

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1 hour ago, HuggyU2 said:

"There's no money in cargo" - Rono Dutta, President, United Airlines, 99-02

lol 

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18 hours ago, HuggyU2 said:

"There's no money in cargo" - Rono Dutta, President, United Airlines, 99-02

 

LOL, the same phrase was muttered by a former DAL (or NWA?) exec. when asked why they were dismantling the ANC freight hub.  I get to hear all about it every time we taxi past a cargo jet or a 747.   On one of my last walkarounds (pre-covid), there were pallets upon pallets of UPS boxes being loaded in the belly to go to AMS...guess we are (errr....were lol) making some money of cargo.  

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Never said Face to Face will all go away. You are all definitely correct it can’t be matched on any or many terms and the face to face in discussion was actually traveling somewhere and not across the street to Finance or your local cable/satellite complaint departments. Here is the rub: When has anything like this ever happened like these 6 months now going on 7... Reprogrammed and cost cutting on extreme measures. Totally obvious why Zoom/Skype/Face Time, etc, etc, in business never took off earlier I thought = The World was FORCED into it. Just let me know if/when has it ever become a requirement like now. Has it been ever forced upon you like this? It will eventually loosened its grip and things will flow more and more back to face to face on the business side. Wouldn’t you agree the most important contracts will demand face to face, then others incrementally no doubt as mentioned before. I hope your right and even better than 90% of preCOVID levels will be attained. That would be awesome and definitely what everyone is shooting for, but once again everyone here chose technology prior to this debacle and now we were forced. There have been more losses than wins, more real estate closures than Grand Openings list goes on and on. Definitely business will thrive again no doubt, but to be at the previous levels or greater will take longer than most are willing to believe. Like nature finds a way, businesses that are surviving are finding their way. Seems easier to fall than climb for the most part.

Full Recovery by 2022, 23, 24, who knows. Here’s for having a far better 2021. At least it won’t be hard to beat for the majority.
Bottom line, it’s just a single perspective and if I am totally wrong and I want to be wrong, we all WIN BIG and I prefer it. 

 

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5 hours ago, SocialD said:

LOL, the same phrase was muttered by a former DAL (or NWA?) exec. when asked why they were dismantling the ANC freight hub.

To be fair, both of those statements/decisions were made in a pre e-commerce dominated western world, and before a lot of the political/economic changes in Asia of the last decade that are the ingredients of the current global flow of goods and money.

The whole foresight vs hindsight thing, and all.

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Any of you retired medically? Finally able to hold a first class. How can I indicate in my resume that I retired due to medical but can finally hold first class after years of treatment? Only had 7 years of service, so don’t want people looking at my resume think anything negative before even talking to me.

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If you can hold a 1st class medical, that is really all you need to have.  Your background will certainly come up on the interview, however if you do not have a Dishonorable Discharge, it should have no bearing on your airline application.  

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A couple weeks ago, someone asked about airlines carrying cargo.  I wish I knew what the break even was.  My last two flights:  DFW -LHR, 777-300, 400lbs (derringer pistol parts) going and 28K coming back.  DFW-ICN, 777-200, 0 (zip, nothing, nada) going and 48K coming back.  It was a different experience in a good way with no flight attendants and no passengers.

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