faipmafiaofficial Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 10 hours ago, The-osu said: Did they change who's running the place down there? Granted I had a Non-A when I went through years ago, but it was entirely a reservist show and they could have cared less where you lived as long as you showed up at brief time. If there was one place worse than Randolph lodging, it would have been the Kelly Inn, that place was a dump. Unless you really liked cockroaches, then you'd be just fine. It's still a reservist run program so I don't know who is requiring it but it's definitely a thing right now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herk Driver Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 When lodging is directed can a member still turn down on base lodging?This memo throws things into question...but yes, you can according to the JTR. You are just reimbursed at the on-base rate and per diem specified on your orders, unless you have a non-a. This "policy", albeit illegal, in my opinion, throws all of that into question and sets you up for a fight.Does anyone have an actual AF/A1 policy letter or just emails about said memo?Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network Forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ratner Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 FYI. A commander can order you to stay on base (or at a particular hotel), but if you disobey, as long as you still follow the JTR, they have to reimburse you. Your commander can, however, punish you with paperwork for not following an order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADFNZ Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 What are the repercussions of just putting your off-base lodging on your GTC and refusing to pay until you're reimbursed? Hit on your credit? Garnished wages? Paperwork from your CC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnetfreezer Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 What are the repercussions of just putting your off-base lodging on your GTC and refusing to pay until you're reimbursed? Hit on your credit? Garnished wages? Paperwork from your CC? All of the above possibly, depending on time to get paid and your CC. Also possibly a hit on your security clearance if the debt goes long enoughSent from my XT1254 using Baseops Network Forums mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuzz Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 19 minutes ago, magnetfreezer said: All of the above possibly, depending on time to get paid and your CC. Also possibly a hit on your security clearance if the debt goes long enough Sent from my XT1254 using Baseops Network Forums mobile app On the other hand it's probably the only way you can highlight the outstanding payment owed by the AF to leadership above your SQ/CC depending on how your base works. If you pay for it out of pocket their GTC stoplight slides will still show green. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
08Dawg Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 28 minutes ago, Fuzz said: On the other hand it's probably the only way you can highlight the outstanding payment owed by the AF to leadership above your SQ/CC depending on how your base works. If you pay for it out of pocket their GTC stoplight slides will still show green. And that in a nutshell sums up the problems with the Air Force..."well, our metrics look good, so we must be ok!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThreeHoler Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 All of the above possibly, depending on time to get paid and your CC. Also possibly a hit on your security clearance if the debt goes long enoughSent from my XT1254 using Baseops Network Forums mobile appFalse.GTC doesn't show on your credit report at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brabus Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 8 hours ago, Lord Ratner said: FYI. A commander can order you to stay on base (or at a particular hotel), but if you disobey, as long as you still follow the JTR, they have to reimburse you. Your commander can, however, punish you with paperwork for not following an order. Solid point. The JTR clearly states non-reimbursement can NEVER be used as the form of punishment for not following the JTR (or I would presume any travel pay related mfr like this). Paperwork, etc. is allowed, but that's solely up to your CC. This is yet another part of the JTR that without a single doubt makes this act illegal. I'm not an IG fan, but this is seriously worth a few peoples time going to at least the JAG and laying out the facts. If I was in this position, it'd be worth an appointment and an hour of my time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daynightindicator Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 False.GTC doesn't show on your credit report at all.My understanding is that they'll still send you to collections for non-payment, and that will be reported to the credit agencies. I never had this happen so I could be wrong, but maybe someone knows for sure. Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network Forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnetfreezer Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 1 hour ago, ThreeHoler said: False. GTC doesn't show on your credit report at all. http://www.defensetravel.dod.mil/Docs/TopTCPMyths.pdf Reported as delinquent after 60 days, late fees at 75, pay deduction at 120, and credit report at 210. It also says DOD is required by law to reimburse travelers within 30 days. I'd like to find a citation for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFM this Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 And that in a nutshell sums up the problems with the Air Force..."well, our metrics look good, so we must be ok!" TonnageComing up with metrics is easy.Metrics that matter, when it matters is the hard part.Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network Forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThreeHoler Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 http://www.defensetravel.dod.mil/Docs/TopTCPMyths.pdf Reported as delinquent after 60 days, late fees at 75, pay deduction at 120, and credit report at 210. It also says DOD is required by law to reimburse travelers within 30 days. I'd like to find a citation for that. It says that. But has anyone here ever seen it on their report or someone else's after 60 days? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BashiChuni Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 10 minutes ago, ThreeHoler said: It says that. But has anyone here ever seen it on their report or someone else's after 60 days? i think most people are scared off my multiple bad boy emails before letting it get to 200+ days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThreeHoler Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 DTMO just overruled AF Finance and told them they were ing stupid.New off-base rule: "the member that elected to not use available government quarters will now be reimbursed based on actual expense up to the on base lodging rate."Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network Forums 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breckey Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 So, the old rule. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nunya Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 6 minutes ago, ThreeHoler said: New off-base rule: "the member that elected to not use available government quarters will now be reimbursed based on actual expense up to the on base lodging rate." Meet the new rule, same as the old rule. I feel sorry for the guy that gets fired over this misunderstanding. What's that you say? Nobody will be fired for a completely illegal TPS report? Shirley you jest. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonefishin Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 DTMO just overruled AF Finance and told them they were ing stupid.New off-base rule: "the member that elected to not use available government quarters will now be reimbursed based on actual expense up to the on base lodging rate."Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network ForumsWhere did you find that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herk Driver Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 Meet the new rule, same as the old rule. I feel sorry for the guy that gets fired over this misunderstanding. What's that you say? Nobody will be fired for a completely illegal TPS report? Shirley you jest.No I don't jest...and please don't call me Shirley. Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network Forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homestar Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 3 hours ago, gonefishin said: Where did you find that? It's on JQP right meow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matmacwc Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 Good, I was beginning to wonder what happens when you go TDY where there is no base. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magellan Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 2 hours ago, matmacwc said: Good, I was beginning to wonder what happens when you go TDY where there is no base. All good things. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThreeHoler Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 Where did you find that?Email chain from some guy at SAF from my awesome local finance person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ratner Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 DTMO just overruled AF Finance and told them they were ing stupid.New off-base rule: "the member that elected to not use available government quarters will now be reimbursed based on actual expense up to the on base lodging rate."Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network ForumsColor me shocked... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faipmafiaofficial Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 On 2/12/2017 at 10:07 AM, Lord Ratner said: FYI. A commander can order you to stay on base (or at a particular hotel), but if you disobey, as long as you still follow the JTR, they have to reimburse you. Your commander can, however, punish you with paperwork for not following an order. Where does it say they can override the JTR and order you to stay on base? Been looking for a week for this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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