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Just remember y’all (I know, that’s cultural appropriation), if we’ve learned anything from this thread it’s that “libruls” have bad DNA that predisposes them to rioting (and man buns I guess?), and that when you are figuring out how to deal with someone who has a different opinion than you, you should get your guidance from the rootin tootin time of the civil war.

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I seek to understand, than to be understood. Arguing is one thing/ or lively banter if you will, but to encroach upon ones land, freedoms and endangering family, friends and loved ones to oppress or depress others into your way of thinking, propaganda and eventually tyranny. History is trying to be erased, it will be repeated. “Got it!” No, I don’t believe for one second you do. That’s your right provided by thousands upon thousands before us.

 

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14 hours ago, brawnie said:

Just remember y’all (I know, that’s cultural appropriation), if we’ve learned anything from this thread it’s that “libruls” have bad DNA that predisposes them to rioting (and man buns I guess?), and that when you are figuring out how to deal with someone who has a different opinion than you, you should get your guidance from the rootin tootin time of the civil war.

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Leftist not liberals

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Someone enlighten me. Is there really a difference between mail-in and absentee? Why is one good and the other not?

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51 minutes ago, ryleypav said:

Someone enlighten me. Is there really a difference between mail-in and absentee? Why is one good and the other not?

Fundamentally, no, there isn't a difference since the voter isn't physically in a voting booth to vote. Oregon has been using mail-in voting since 1998 and in 2000 was the first state to have 100% mail-in voting for the presidential election. A GOP think tank, the Heritage Foundation data showed as of 2020, Oregon has cast 15,476,519 votes since 2000. During that time 14 fraudulent votes were attempted by mail. Voter fraud could also be considered a convicted felon trying to vote. This is another unsubstantiated claim by Trump trying to rile up his base about a "rampant problem" that doesn't exist. I voted this year in Washington via mail, just like last year. Had no issues.

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgov/2020/06/02/low-rates-of-fraud-in-vote-by-mail-states-show-the-benefits-outweigh-the-risks/

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2 hours ago, Sua Sponte said:

A GOP think tank, the Heritage Foundation data showed as of 2020, Oregon has cast 15,476,519 votes since 2000. During that time 14 fraudulent votes were attempted by mail. Voter fraud could also be considered a convicted felon trying to vote. This is another unsubstantiated claim by Trump trying to rile up his base about a "rampant problem" that doesn't exist.

One fraudulent vote is a problem.

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5 minutes ago, ItnStln said:

One fraudulent vote is a problem.

Yes, but not the problem Trump thinks it is. 
 

He’s laying the groundwork for a contested election. 
 

I predict a landslide, so it won’t matter anyway. 

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5 hours ago, ryleypav said:

Someone enlighten me. Is there really a difference between mail-in and absentee? Why is one good and the other not?

Absentee is a ballot you request ahead of time because you won’t be able to vote on Election Day (or at a polling place). Many states have deadlines well before Election Day to ensure they can count them in time. Some don’t however, and you get stories like Minnesota where they found thousands of ballots that weren’t counted.

Mail-in varies by state, but what’s being floated during COVID is mailing everyone a ballot (or picking up a generic mail-in ballot at a library or something) and having them mail it back by Election Day. That means exponentially more paper ballots to read/scan, greater chance for fraud (state can’t pre-screen like they could for absentee), and overall a strong likelihood we won’t know what the actual results are for days after polls close.

Voter fraud is real. I was part of a group that found cases of it for my first job after college, and it sounds like it’s still going on. https://www.foxnews.com/us/4-la-men-admit-to-skid-row-voter-fraud-scheme-da-announces

But Voter ID is a poll tax or some kind of nonsense...

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2 hours ago, ItnStln said:

One fraudulent vote is a problem.

One drunk driver is a problem. But if you say there's a drunk driving problem, but the data doesn't support your claim, you either look like a liar, stupid, or both.

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2 hours ago, ItnStln said:

One fraudulent vote is a problem.

Well, better trample liberties and call into question the whole system for electorally insignificant fraudulent votes.  Then, since the states get to decide - push the narrative of moving the election.
Doesn't sound fascist at all.

Where I was at in TX, they did electronic voting without paper.  That, to me, is highly more susceptible to centralized fraud than mail-in ballots.  New place does mail only, I'm cool with it.  First thing I did after signing the closing docs was register to vote.

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As a famous guy once said, the cure can’t be worse than the disease.

In an effort to fight voter fraud, which does happen but at a very low level, many efforts at increased security end up disenfranchising orders of magnitude more citizens.

Several states have run successful elections with 100% vote by mail for decades...broadening the scope of allowable absentee excuses to include COVID during a raging pandemic isn’t going to somehow sink the Republic.

We should all expect that results will take longer than normal this year, and unless it’s a total blowout I would prepare to wait several days at a minimum to determine the Presidential winner, let alone all the state races, many of which may be very close as well.

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It will be a lot easier to identify and track down voter fraud via physical absentee ballots than it would be on a hackable electronic voting machine with no audit-able paper trail.

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It is considered safe to mail passports, prescription drugs, driver’s licenses, and a litany of other sensitive documents. States like Washington and Oregon have been successfully 100% vote by mail for years. I’d reckon a vast majority of the posters on this board have voted by mail at one point or another. Is it a perfect process? Of course not. But voting in person can also be a clusterfuck a la Florida 2000. Trump’s claims are, as usual, baseless. He knows the higher the turnout, the worse the results will be for him. Voter suppression and/or postponing the election are just pathetic attempts to keep his campaign hopes alive. 

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1 minute ago, lloyd christmas said:

Any reason we couldn't mail everyone with a SSN above 18 a code of some sort that can be used online instead of by mail?  

It’s super easy to sit back in your home country and hack a website. 

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1 hour ago, nsplayr said:

As a famous guy once said, the cure can’t be worse than the disease.

Here's a couple Constitutional circle jerks/cures that could come into play during this 2020 election goat rope:<)

- Contingent election: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contingent_election

- Twelfth Amendment to the United States Constitution: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twelfth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

- Twentieth Amendment:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twentieth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution   

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1 hour ago, Prozac said:

Voter suppression and/or postponing the election are just pathetic attempts to keep his campaign hopes alive. 

 

57 minutes ago, brickhistory said:

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Mmm, maybe, but ^ this is what’s actually keeping Trump’s re-election alive. WTAF Democratic party? All they had to do was offer a median candidate that appeals to a broad base that is still mentally coherent. 

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28 minutes ago, lloyd christmas said:

Any reason we couldn't mail everyone with a SSN above 18 a code of some sort that can be used online instead of by mail?  

This is a government that sent $4 billion in stimulus checks to dead people.  What do you suppose the accuracy rate for voter records is?

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18 minutes ago, pawnman said:

This is a government that sent $4 billion in stimulus checks to dead people.  What do you suppose the accuracy rate for voter records is?

At $1,200 each - that's 3,333,333.33 dead potential voters.

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20 minutes ago, waveshaper said:

At $1,200 each - that's 3,333,333.33 dead potential voters.

Repeating, of course.

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13 minutes ago, brawnie said:

Repeating, of course.

The ugly truth behind the viral 'Leeroy Jenkins' WoW video ...

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