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2 minutes ago, Snooter said:

At least I brought something other than snide remarks and pointed questions.   Hey quick, I think Hannity’s on!

No, you originally used an analogy that further reduction of X results in a correlated decrease in Y.  If this were the case anything that is perceived as "bad/harmful" should be eliminated...and this is a childish argument, at best.

If you want to argue that further government regulation with regards to energy production, etc is better for the environment, regardless of the negative impacts to the economy then I would just say that is purely an opinion of yours and not rooted in factual economic science.  

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11 minutes ago, HeloDude said:

No, you originally used an analogy that further reduction of X results in a correlated decrease in Y.  If this were the case anything that is perceived as "bad/harmful" should be eliminated...and this is a childish argument, at best.

If you want to argue that further government regulation with regards to energy production, etc is better for the environment, regardless of the negative impacts to the economy then I would just say that is purely an opinion of yours and not rooted in factual economic science.  

What is your solution, do you think there’s even a problem?

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5 minutes ago, Snooter said:

What is your solution, do you think there’s even a problem?

Read what Lord Ratner said--his posts are pretty close to my views.  

Truthfully, when progressives move away from the coastal cities for fear of the effects of climate change, then I'll be worried.

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15 minutes ago, HeloDude said:

Read what Lord Ratner said--his posts are pretty close to my views.  

Truthfully, when progressives move away from the coastal cities for fear of the effects of climate change, then I'll be worried.

Or even North/South.  Happened in Oregon, used to be fairly red, then all the awful Cali yuppies (note: my home state) moved up their and shifted the politics to what it is today.

You know, having to buzz in customers at the Portland burger joints to ensure the homeless don't shit on the floor or OD in the bathroom.

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2 hours ago, Snooter said:

-I bet you’re the life of the party...

Enjoy your drive, wish I wasn’t in the car with you...

-At least I brought something other than snide remarks and pointed questions.   Hey quick, I think Hannity’s on

Ah, yes.  The ol' defensive egg.  Never gets old watching it deploy...

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Best aspect of the Donald saluting (manly courteous gesture)/bowing (feminine/subservient) whole picture thing is...

President Hillary is not in it.

And that has made all the difference.*

 

 

*Apologies to Robert Frost

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1 hour ago, brickhistory said:

Ah, yes.  The ol' defensive egg.  Never gets old watching it deploy...

Man I’m glad I got to this before you read my original response. I said something mean, but you don’t deserve that, you’re just trying to egg on a scenario because that’s what you’ve been taught to do.  I hope you have a good weekend.

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Meant mine as generally good natured.  As an observer, the exchange between you and Helo seemed to be going downhill and getting personal on your end.

I have no dog in that exchange other than his logic seemed to be irritating you in your replies.  Tried to interject some humor in an internet exchange.  Nothing personal intended.

 

Still glad it's not Hillary in the White House.

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20 minutes ago, brickhistory said:

Still glad it's not Hillary in the White House.

Hypothetically speaking...for those who keep saying this...is there anything that could be uncovered about your god-emperor that would change your mind or are you doing incensed by Clintons you're willing to blind yourself to potential illegal/immoral/unethical/shitty actions?

Collusion...money laundering...human trafficking...abortions...conspiracy against the US...treason...establishes universal healthcare, UBI and repeals the second amendment?

It seems to me the "at least it's not Hillary" mantra is just the y'all quaeda reminding themselves that nothing really matters to them as long as their team won.

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My God is not in the White House.  

But neither is Hillary.

Both of those facts are important to me.

 

Nor is there an emperor.  Just a strange guy who isn't part of the entrenched on both side political machinery.  One who beat 16 other  GOP candidates who were various iterations of the same ol' same ol', and defeated Hillary.  

Who was given a run for her suspiciously gained money by someone who wasn't even a real Democrat.

And neither side listened to the massive numbers of people who don't like DC and its circle-jerk shenanigans.

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Maybe military folks with dependents should be required to sacrifice more for the increased costs of dependents on TRICARE? Additional deployments, longer ADSCs, more Friday night morale lines. Then we could allow TRICARE to deny coverage based on preexisting conditions. Sorry about that heart murmur kid...tell your parents to stop being poor and pay cash!

Tricare isn't the greatest, but ultimately it keeps people generally alive and helps them be a productive member of society. It's in the US's best interest to do so. Same goes for the general populace...if we can afford it. The debate used to be about whether it was possible to do given the costs...now it has devolved into "they don't deserve it". It's sad to see people's lives be destroyed because they lost the health lottery, and even sadder to see such a large amount of people have no empathy for those who are caught in the tail spin. I agree we can't give everyone everything for free, but people shouldn't be going bankrupt for health issues outside their control. More healthy people means more production, more tax revenue.

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3 minutes ago, brickhistory said:

My God is not in the White House.  

But neither is Hillary.

Both of those facts are important to me.

 

Nor is there an emperor.  Just a strange guy who isn't part of the entrenched on both side political machinery.  One who beat 16 other  GOP candidates who were various iterations of the same ol' same ol', and defeated Hillary.  

Who was given a run for her suspiciously gained money by someone who wasn't even a real Democrat.

And neither side listened to the massive numbers of people who don't like DC and its circle-jerk shenanigans.

Sooooo...no then?

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If Trump did something illegal and is tried/impeached/convicted, out he goes.

Hillary did, by her own admission, performed actions regarding classified that would send you or I to Leavenworth.  With or without intent, the statute regarding is pretty clear.  Yet she's still slowly cavorting about.

One rule of law or not?

 

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Oh, and the feeling of seeing the election go the other way after the entire political industry - politicians, media, and loud liberals just knew it was a lock for Hillary, is one I cherish.

Enough people from enough of the country gave a giant collective middle finger to that same industry.

Glorious.

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The Donald may be on the verge of one of the biggest peace breakthroughs in recent history and people are getting wrapped around the axel regarding Trump (returning) a salute to a NK General.  We really are in trouble. People focus more on optics than the actual issue. (For the record I thought it was stupid regarding people getting spun up about Obama bowing.)  Plenty of material to criticize any President on, this is not one of them.

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15 minutes ago, dream big said:

The Donald may be on the verge of one of the biggest peace breakthroughs in recent history and people are getting wrapped around the axel regarding Trump (returning) a salute to a NK General.  We really are in trouble. People focus more on optics than the actual issue. (For the record I thought it was stupid regarding people getting spun up about Obama bowing.)  Plenty of material to criticize any President on, this is not one of them.

Yeah but did you see that raccoon climb the building?

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1 hour ago, brickhistory said:

If Trump did something illegal and is tried/impeached/convicted, out he goes.

Hillary did, by her own admission, performed actions regarding classified that would send you or I to Leavenworth.  With or without intent, the statute regarding is pretty clear.  Yet she's still slowly cavorting about.

One rule of law or not?

 

Edited to add:

Oh, and the feeling of seeing the election go the other way after the entire political industry - politicians, media, and loud liberals just knew it was a lock for Hillary, is one I cherish.

Enough people from enough of the country gave a giant collective middle finger to that same industry.

Glorious.

Have you read the new IG report? It largely supports Comeys actions. Do you give it the same weight as the IG report that investigated McCabe?

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1 hour ago, dream big said:

The Donald may be on the verge of one of the biggest peace breakthroughs in recent history and people are getting wrapped around the axel regarding Trump (returning) a salute to a NK General.  We really are in trouble. People focus more on optics than the actual issue. (For the record I thought it was stupid regarding people getting spun up about Obama bowing.)  Plenty of material to criticize any President on, this is not one of them.

I keep hearing how great this deal Trump made with lil Kim in Singapore was, and how bad of a deal the JCPOA was. Can someone on the right break it down for me how they compare with specifics?

I'm all for peace and hope it works out, but I see the denucleariation talk similar to Obama saying we should work towards a world without nukes...it's largely aspirational and not going to happen.  I'll be happy to eat crow on this one, but we've seen this movie before.

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41 minutes ago, drewpey said:

I keep hearing how great this deal Trump made with lil Kim in Singapore was, and how bad of a deal the JCPOA was. Can someone on the right break it down for me how they compare with specifics?

I'm all for peace and hope it works out, but I see the denucleariation talk similar to Obama saying we should work towards a world without nukes...it's largely aspirational and not going to happen.  I'll be happy to eat crow on this one, but we've seen this movie before.

Gee things different about the two.

 

The fact that the Iran deal was not negotiable because they refused while this is still an active negotiation...

The fact it lapses after 10 years...

The fact we were allowing them multiple loopholes to continue enrichment and centrifuge research at military sites we weren’t allowed to inspect by our own agreement... as well as refine their ballistic missile capability.


Look the Iran deal sucked. This deal could very well suck. Difference is the Iran deal was “done” as far as every party outside of us was concerned and was no longer negotiable so we go back to sanctions in the hopes of forcing them back to the table for the same reason they originally showed up. This.... is still the opening stage of a long term discussion and actions. Trump hasn’t agreed or brought some treaty for anything that is final. Let them run this out because the sanctions, the huge military apparatus, and the willingness to turn the hurt back on didn’t go away yesterday with a handshake and some sound bites on CNN. Same as Reagan and Gorbachev didn’t suddenly turn off MAD/Afghanistan/SDI/NATO after the first press junket.

 

 

Some people just want to excercise in a self exhaustive effort of sport bitching. 

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6 hours ago, Lawman said:

Let them run this out because the sanctions, the huge military apparatus, and the willingness to turn the hurt back on didn’t go away yesterday with a handshake and some sound bites on CNN. Same as Reagan and Gorbachev didn’t suddenly turn off MAD/Afghanistan/SDI/NATO after the first press junket. 

 

 

Some people just want to excercise in a self exhaustive effort of sport bitching. 

Yep. These type deals can take a loooong time to reach any logical state of fruition. Here's a look back/few highlights from the last time we conducted nuclear weapons negotiations with an adversary that actually had "Real Live Nukes" with Short, Intermediate, Strategic range/reach.

- Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces (INF) Treaty; US/USSR negotiations started in Nov 1981 and the INF Treaty went into effect in June 1988 (it took 7 years, 5 months to cut this deal). Key note; The INF Treaty was approved/ratified by the US Senate.

- Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty (START); US/USSR negotiations started in June 1982 and the START Treaty went into effect in Dec 1994 (it took 12 years, 6 months to cut this deal). Key note; The START Treaty was approved/ratified by the US Senate.

Here's my take on the current status of the US/Nork Nuke negotiations. We have taken the first baby step by CNX/suspending Joint US/ROK exercises and have 6,969 more steps to go; 

- We have seen these type of actions taken by the US and our allies before. I'm cautiously optimistic but wouldn't be surprised if we get screwed "again" in the long run. Hopefully this move (CNXing Exercises) will be considered a signal of good faith to the Norks and it's also reminiscent of something right out of the President Reagan/HW Bush playbook.

- We did something similar to this back in the late 1980's/early 1990's in Europe/NATO. These US/NATO actions were in direct response to the US/USSR Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty (INF-Treaty) which went into effect in 1988, ongoing comprehensive START Treaty negotiations, and finally the collapse of the USSR in late Dec 1991. Also the end of the Cold War ushered in the era of the "Peace Dividend" which resulted in drastic cuts to US/NATO military spending. Note; the Peace Dividend era pretty much sucked for us military folks.
- Basically we started scaling back our troop levels/equipment/armament, cancelling or scaling back our exercises, etc, etc. Here's one of maaaany Examples; The massive "Reforger Exercise" was cancelled in 1989 and by the early 1990's it was officially terminated (many other NATO exercise were also terminated or scaled way back). The downside today (last 5 to 10 years) = Russia is acting up again and we're starting to ramp some of this stuff back up again.

 

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 All those that panned Obama for bowing. We're cool with this, right?
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Providing a military salute in response to someone who gave it first?

Seems ok to me and I hate those Commie bastards.

Listen, I’m sure you are convinced Hillary would have gone in there on a menopausal rage and a week later Bill could have a NK comfort girl after his trip to the Pyongyang McDonalds but that’s not how this stuff works.

The left once again imploding. Sad.



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I was in Incheon over the weekend and doing the walk around before flying home to DFW.  Some Korean ground guy comes up, bows, and salutes.  I reflexively returned it, he smiled and walked away.  Should I have been rude and ignored him?

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I was in Incheon over the weekend and doing the walk around before flying home to DFW.  Some Korean ground guy comes up, bows, and salutes.  I reflexively returned it, he smiled and walked away.  Should I have been rude and ignored him?


The really weird ones are when you get salutes from what would be a superior officer of a foreign military.

Like bro, please... your a LtCol in your nations military and I’m just a CW3 in mine. It’s cool here you go please stop doing that.

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22 hours ago, FlyArmy said:

The president isn't beholden to shit. He can do whatever he wants. As the CiCs, it is their prerogative to make the choice whether or not to return salutes. But since Reagan, presidents have returned salutes from those who salute them, out of respect, since not returning a salute is typically thought of as a sign of disrespect.

A bow is a sign of submission and not a military custom or courtesy. Big difference. Furthermore, obama initiated a bow, he didn't do it as a response to being bowed to. He initiated a bow to a king who then just shook his hand. 

Do you seriously not see the difference here, or are you trying to push an agenda?

https://www.macmillandictionary.com/us/thesaurus-category/american/gestures-of-respect

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3 hours ago, di1630 said:


Providing a military salute in response to someone who gave it first?

Seems ok to me and I hate those Commie bastards.

Listen, I’m sure you are convinced Hillary would have gone in there on a menopausal rage and a week later Bill could have a NK comfort girl after his trip to the Pyongyang McDonalds but that’s not how this stuff works.

The left once again imploding. Sad.


 

I am in no way shape or form a Hillary fan.

I just like pointing out hypocrites and watching them defend their hypocrisy.

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14 hours ago, drewpey said:

Maybe military folks with dependents should be required to sacrifice more for the increased costs of dependents on TRICARE? Additional deployments, longer ADSCs, more Friday night morale lines. Then we could allow TRICARE to deny coverage based on preexisting conditions. Sorry about that heart murmur kid...tell your parents to stop being poor and pay cash!

Tricare isn't the greatest, but ultimately it keeps people generally alive and helps them be a productive member of society. It's in the US's best interest to do so. Same goes for the general populace...if we can afford it. The debate used to be about whether it was possible to do given the costs...now it has devolved into "they don't deserve it". It's sad to see people's lives be destroyed because they lost the health lottery, and even sadder to see such a large amount of people have no empathy for those who are caught in the tail spin. I agree we can't give everyone everything for free, but people shouldn't be going bankrupt for health issues outside their control. More healthy people means more production, more tax revenue.

So how much of your personal wealth are you voluntarily donating to charities that help provide healthcare/pay for healthcare expenses of those less foryunate than you?  And which specific charities do you use?

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