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16 minutes ago, Azimuth said:

Investigators don’t do the charging.

Odd, I seem to recall Comey saying Hillary should not be charged...

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22 minutes ago, ClearedHot said:

Odd, I seem to recall Comey saying Hillary should not be charged...

It’s a recommmendation, sorta like how the legal office made recommendations to you as a Commander.  So, did the legal office advise you as a Commander, or did they just do whatever they wanted when it came time to charge someone via the UCMJ?

And to be really shitty about it, Comey is a barred attorney by trade. So, if he was doing a legal analysis on the investigative report and offering an opinion, he was qualified to do so.

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3 hours ago, Azimuth said:

It’s a recommmendation, sorta like how the legal office....

This is where you lost me.  When the Director of the FBI says something, it's not "sorta like a recommendation."

Now when an internet lawyer says something, yeah, that's sorta like a recommendation.

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13 hours ago, Vertigo said:

if POTUS is the declassification authority, does that mean he declassifies the material or he waives the requirement to have a clearance to possess classified material? There's quite a difference between the two. 

Starting point is EO 12968.  POTUS can add/delete/grant/etc as desired.  Security is an executive (presidential) program.

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16 hours ago, tk1313 said:

Bad comparison... Dealing drugs, murder, and sexual assault are all crimes. Being the Republican candidate for President is not. Strzok wasn't removed because of his political opinions or the mighty Fox propaganda machine (talk about hypocrisy), he was removed because of his personal opinion of Trump as an individual. I think a lot of Bernie's political ideals are crap, but I don't necessarily think he's a bad person... I work around people who I don't agree with politically, but still get along very well with, and I have a positive personal view of them. I can separate my distaste for someone's views from my distaste for a person... Something people on both sides have trouble with. Strzok said some pretty nasty things about Trump and his family, things I would never say about Bernie or other people I know, despite thinking they have stupid political views.

Again, even investigators are allowed to have opinions, politically or personally.  In all likelihood he was removed just because he brought extra baggage to the investigation through his affair and his political opinions which would eventually come to light.  He likely wasn't necessary for the investigation, so it's best to cut and run. 

To be honest if you read the texts they had plenty of shade to throw around to pretty much every politician they spoke of...and what they said about Trump was relatively tame for 2016 election standards.  In fact most of what he said about Trump I know I've said about my own party leaders from time to time.  Sure Trumps no murderer, but he has provided enough material so just about anyone from any walk of life has a very understandable reason to have a strong dislike of him.  He's an "Equal opportunity offender", which ironically is part of what his base loves so much about him..."telling it like it is" as they say.

Strzok and Page are making news today as Rand Paul is aghast that they still have security clearances.  The base is quite riled up over it as well.  Do you think they should have had their security clearances stripped?

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18 hours ago, Azimuth said:

It’s a recommmendation, sorta like how the legal office made recommendations to you as a Commander.  So, did the legal office advise you as a Commander, or did they just do whatever they wanted when it came time to charge someone via the UCMJ?

Except when the Legal Office made recommendations to me as a Commander they did so in private, not on the public stage after calling a news conference.

18 hours ago, Azimuth said:

And to be really shitty about it, Comey is a barred attorney by trade. So, if he was doing a legal analysis on the investigative report and offering an opinion, he was qualified to do so.

Legal analysis like drafting a memo clearing Clinton before she was even interviewed...

Do you actually believe any of this tripe?

 

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Legal analysis like drafting a memo clearing Clinton before she was even interviewed...
Do you actually believe any of this tripe?
 
He does, which is ridiculous since he's seen the process corrupted first-hand at the lowest levels.

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BLUF:  Still not Hillary in the White House.  Which is enough.

Or any of the 16 other Republican candidates in 2016.

Yet the party in the majority in the House and Senate are acting more as the opposition than the current victors.

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14 hours ago, HU&W said:

Starting point is EO 12968.  POTUS can add/delete/grant/etc as desired.  Security is an executive (presidential) program.

Cheers. You learn something new everyday.

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7 hours ago, brickhistory said:

BLUF:  Still not Hillary in the White House.  Which is enough.

Or any of the 16 other Republican candidates in 2016.

Yet the party in the majority in the House and Senate are acting more as the opposition than the current victors.

And the rats are fleeing the sinking ship.

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And the rats are fleeing the sinking ship.
They helped chew through the bulkheads.

Both parties are broken. What they really want is power and status. That's why Democrats supported an obvious liar and apparent criminal who would keep the status quo over Bernie, and why Republicans would squander away the best legislative opportunity imaginable because of some worthless drama.

Remember, these are the people who molest kids, cheat on their wives, don't pay taxes, use campaign funds for bribing pregnant mistresses (while the wife dies of cancer), solicit gay sex in airports while fighting gay marriage, expose classified material to avoid FOIA, use inside knowledge of future legislation to game the stock market, sext 15 year olds AFTER getting caught, lie about terrorist attacks, secretly support racist spiritual leaders, use methamphetamines, interns then cast them aside, think islands could tip over, need I go on?

Trump is in NO WAY worse than these people, both sides. The only difference is the way he talks/tweets. And the most amazing part is that it was "dumb America" that recognized it, while the smarter, successful people (like say, military officers) somehow convinced themselves he was an anomalous threat. If you think Trump is bad, great. He is. But if you think he's somehow worse than the alternatives, you're ignoring some pretty egregious evidence.
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They helped chew through the bulkheads.

Both parties are broken. What they really want is power and status. That's why Democrats supported an obvious liar and apparent criminal who would keep the status quo over Bernie, and why Republicans would squander away the best legislative opportunity imaginable because of some worthless drama.

Remember, these are the people who molest kids, cheat on their wives, don't pay taxes, use campaign funds for bribing pregnant mistresses (while the wife dies of cancer), solicit gay sex in airports while fighting gay marriage, expose classified material to avoid FOIA, use inside knowledge of future legislation to game the stock market, sext 15 year olds AFTER getting caught, lie about terrorist attacks, secretly support racist spiritual leaders, use methamphetamines, interns then cast them aside, think islands could tip over, need I go on?

Trump is in NO WAY worse than these people, both sides. The only difference is the way he talks/tweets. And the most amazing part is that it was "dumb America" that recognized it, while the smarter, successful people (like say, military officers) somehow convinced themselves he was an anomalous threat. If you think Trump is bad, great. He is. But if you think he's somehow worse than the alternatives, you're ignoring some pretty egregious evidence.
I agree for the most part. We've seen what Obama's foreign policy brought. More death and destruction which he claimed to want to get rid of.

Trump's been a lot of talk and chaos. We'll know in another year what role his bluster will do on the world stage. I'm not a fan. Plus the parade is ing stupid.

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Lost in all of this is just how corrupt and partisan the FBI has become. 

The FBI just released the IG report on McCabe and it states he lied to numerous senior officials, he lied under oath to BENEFIT HIMSELF, and he was the source of a leak during the election.  Comey's book excerpts are flowing and I could care less about the insults and hand size drama, but he admits he the following: He failed to tell Trump he knew Hillary paid for the Dossier, he decided to release the late breaking info on Hillary only after he noted she was ahead in the pools, and he released potentially classified information through a friend to drive the appointment of a special prosecutor.  Bottomline, love or hate Trump, the top two "Leaders" of the FBI leaked information. 

Sickening.

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On 4/13/2018 at 1:57 PM, ClearedHot said:

Sickening.

It's no more sickening than publicly warning of missile strikes against Syria, waiting a week for Assad to empty out and evacuate facilities, and then proclaim "Mission Accomplished" for spending $90+ million to move some fucking rubble around.

Or firing your second National Security Advisor after he publicly expressed a hard stance against Russia.

Or firing your Secretary of State after he publicly expressed a hard stance against Russia.

Or shelving the Russia sanctions passed by Congress with near-unanimous support.

Or saying our UN ambassador was "confused" when she announced the US was thinking about additional sanctions against Russia for the Syrian chem attacks.

Or personally leaking critical intel from our allies to Putin's ambassador during a WH meeting, and also burning our source for said intel in the process.

Or firing the FBI director, and then publicly and openly admitting in an interview that he fired him over "the Russian thing".

Or repeatedly getting caught in lies about dozens of campaign contacts with Russians who have ties to the Kremlin.

Or having campaign personnel and your first National Security Advisor plead guilty for lying to the FBI over their Russian contacts.

At this point I don't know what it'll take for Trump's supporters to just acknowledge that this man is compromised, is a present and clear threat to the nation, and needs to be removed. It isn't a partisan matter. Pence is the successor and there isn't a single liberal who wants to see that hyper-religious zealot in the Oval Office. But it's better him than a possible traitor.

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33 minutes ago, Vertigo said:

It's no more sickening than publicly warning of missile strikes against Syria, waiting a week for Assad to empty out and evacuate facilities, and then proclaim "Mission Accomplished" for spending $90+ million to move some fucking rubble around.

Or firing your second National Security Advisor after he publicly expressed a hard stance against Russia.

Or firing your Secretary of State after he publicly expressed a hard stance against Russia.

Or shelving the Russia sanctions passed by Congress with near-unanimous support.

Or saying our UN ambassador was "confused" when she announced the US was thinking about additional sanctions against Russia for the Syrian chem attacks.

Or personally leaking critical intel from our allies to Putin's ambassador during a WH meeting, and also burning our source for said intel in the process.

Or firing the FBI director, and then publicly and openly admitting in an interview that he fired him over "the Russian thing".

Or repeatedly getting caught in lies about dozens of campaign contacts with Russians who have ties to the Kremlin.

Or having campaign personnel and your first National Security Advisor plead guilty for lying to the FBI over their Russian contacts.

At this point I don't know what it'll take for Trump's supporters to just acknowledge that this man is compromised, is a present and clear threat to the nation, and needs to be removed. It isn't a partisan matter. Pence is the successor and there isn't a single liberal who wants to see that hyper-religious zealot in the Oval Office. But it's better him than a traitor.

Wow, lay off the MSNBC bro it’s getting to your head. 

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1 hour ago, dream big said:

Wow, lay off the MSNBC bro it’s getting to your head. 

I haven't seen a lick of MSNBC in years. Care to prove any of those items I listed didn't occur?

 

 

1 hour ago, pcola said:

Vertigo, just wondering, are you still in uniform or have you completely separated?

How about you worry about yourself.

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25 minutes ago, Vertigo said:

How about you worry about yourself.

Good advice...so why are you so worried and concerned with Trump supporters?

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3 hours ago, pcola said:

Vertigo, just wondering, are you still in uniform or have you completely separated?

Any why are you wondering that?

Only Blue Falcons ask those questions.

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4 hours ago, dream big said:

Wow, lay off the MSNBC bro it’s getting to your head. 

Yeah, you should watch Fox News with credible commentary from people like Sean Hannity.

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1 hour ago, Azimuth said:

Yeah, you should watch Fox News with credible commentary from people like Sean Hannity.

Sean Hannity's commentary is no more/less credible than commentary you will find on CNN, MSNBC, PBS, ABC, etc.. 

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Sean Hannity's commentary is no more/less credible than commentary you will find on CNN, MSNBC, PBS, ABC, etc.. 


Sarcasm detector inop.

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