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Here's just one "small" indicator that the Presidents policies and agenda might be racist:<) If these numbers continue to fall the Presidents in deep shit and he will, at a minimum, probably see an attempt by the Democrats in Congress to censure him:<) 

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- Almost unnoticed by the mainstream media, unemployment rates for Hispanics, African-Americans and Asians have not only fallen, but are now at all-time lows. That's right: Unemployment has never been lower for minorities, at least not since 1972, when such records first started being kept.

- The jobless rate for African Americans fell to a record low 6.8% in December from 7.2% the month before. And it was the first time ever that unemployment for African Americans ever fell below 7%.

-  Hispanics, too, have seen unemployment drop to record-low levels. For Hispanics, unemployment fell below 5% for the first time ever in October.

- Asians as a group saw their unemployment rate spike to as high as 8.4% in 2009. In December, it fell below 3% for the first time since 2007, dropping to a record-low 2.5%.

https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/dont-look-now-but-minority-unemployment-is-at-record-lows-under-trump/

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21 hours ago, Jaded said:

Trump couldn't have chosen a worse target for his racist comments than Nigeria. 

Houston Chronicle:

"Data show Nigerians the most educated in the U.S.

BACHELOR'S AND BEYOND
In America, Nigerians' education pursuit is above rest
Whether driven by immigration or family, data show more earn degrees" 

http://www.chron.com/news/article/Data-show-Nigerians-the-most-educated-in-the-U-S-1600808.php

He's racist. Stop rationalizing. If you're OK with comments like this (it's not the first time he's made racist comments), you're racist too. 

Yeah, Nigeria is soooo awesome lol...

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-13809501

And calling Trump a racist is what got him elected--only the far left who hates him and his policies call him a racist, whereas the majority of people from Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Michigan believed he had better ideas for the country.

I'm personally no more a fan of Trump than I was of Obama (they're both a joke in their own ways) but I'm sure enjoying Trump's policies a lot more than Obama's.  

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Here's just one "small" indicator that the Presidents policies and agenda might be racist. If these numbers continue to fall the Presidents in deep shit and he will, at a minimum, probably see an attempt by the Democrats in Congress to censure him. 
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- Almost unnoticed by the mainstream media, unemployment rates for Hispanics, African-Americans and Asians have not only fallen, but are now at all-time lows. That's right: Unemployment has never been lower for minorities, at least not since 1972, when such records first started being kept.
- The jobless rate for African Americans fell to a record low 6.8% in December from 7.2% the month before. And it was the first time ever that unemployment for African Americans ever fell below 7%.
-  Hispanics, too, have seen unemployment drop to record-low levels. For Hispanics, unemployment fell below 5% for the first time ever in October.
- Asians as a group saw their unemployment rate spike to as high as 8.4% in 2009. In December, it fell below 3% for the first time since 2007, dropping to a record-low 2.5%.
https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/dont-look-now-but-minority-unemployment-is-at-record-lows-under-trump/
Is my sarcasm detector inop?
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Give HeShe a TS/SCI and put HimHer on the Senate Intelligence Committee! What’s the worst that could happen?

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44 minutes ago, brickhistory said:

This is a publicity stunt, not a real run for office. Senator Ben Cardin, the 2-term incumbent of that seat, has literally 50 years of electoral success in Maryland and has never lost a race.

Not worth even mentioning other than she is a terrible person and an attention-seeking douche.

My prediction is Cardin wins the primary with basically no effort by 50+ points. Lucky for me, when my party has lunatics run for office they are typically defeated handily in primaries by distinguished public servants.

Can’t quite say the same for my friends on the right...Senator Doug Jones sends his regards to the GOP primary voters of Alabama :beer:

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21 hours ago, nsplayr said:

This is a publicity stunt, not a real run for office. Senator Ben Cardin, the 2-term incumbent of that seat, has literally 50 years of electoral success in Maryland and has never lost a race.

Not worth even mentioning other than she is a terrible person and an attention-seeking douche.

My prediction is Cardin wins the primary with basically no effort by 50+ points. Lucky for me, when my party has lunatics run for office they are typically defeated handily in primaries by distinguished public servants.

Can’t quite say the same for my friends on the right...Senator Doug Jones sends his regards to the GOP primary voters of Alabama :beer:

She might be better than the establishment career politician...

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On 1/13/2018 at 8:27 AM, Lord Ratner said:

This is the same shit that brought us the Black lives matter nothing burger. Try to tell a liberal that blacks in America are committing a hugely disproportionate amount of violent crime, a completely irrefutable fact, and they call you a racist. But in the same breath they scream that we "have to" have a conversation about racist policing in America.

Now we "have to" have a conversation about immigration, but call a country a shithole, when that country is by any reasonable analysis exactly that, boom, out comes the racist card.

If you dingleberries keep using language restriction and faux outrage to shame people into your way of thinking, Donald is going to tap dance right into another term.

Maybe when someone tells you they aren't racist, turn off your inner Maddow and try to figure out what other reasons they have for disagreeing with you.

Instead of focusing on "shithole", focus on the "why".

"Why do we want all these people from shithole countries coming here?" "We should have more people from places like Norway here"

As if the nation of your birthplace determines your capabilities and your worth. The implication of his statement is those that come from a nation with a bad economy, or a horrible government are not worth letting in, but those from a Northern European nation are good to go with no needed justification. Why does someone from a poor Caribbean nation have to give more of a justification as to why they want to be an American than someone from Norway? 

Maybe that comment isn't about race (though it's an odd coincidence he specifically picked out nations whose populations are black/brown as undesirable nations, and specifically named a nation whose population is 97.3% Caucasian as an ideal immigrant). Maybe that comment was more about those coming from poverty. Taking that one statement doesn't necessarily paint the President as a racist. Taking his past statements and actions, then we can start forming a picture of who he is an what his ideals in regards to race are.

1- His real estate company avoided renting to black people and gave preferential treatment to whites in the 70's.
2- His statement on black employees in his casino: "Black guys counting my money! I hate it.... I think the guy is lazy. And it's probably not his fault, because laziness is a trait in blacks."
3- The Central Park 5. He was still arguing in 2016 they were guilty despite DNA evidence proving their innocence 10 years before.
4- Mexicans coming into the U.S. are "rapists". But some, he assumes, are good people. (nice backtrack)
5- The judge in the Trump University case couldn't be impartial because he is "of Mexican heritage".
6- 15,000 recent Haitian immigrants "all have AIDS"
7- The 40,000 Nigerians "would never go back to their huts" in Africa after seeing the U.S.
8- His quickness to highlight crimes by those of color, while remaining silent on hate crimes committed by whites.
9- Puerto Ricans, who have criticized the hurricane response, are "ingrates".
10- He has often retweeted white supremacists.
11- But that doesn't matter, because amongst white supremacists are some "very fine people"
12- When Indians wanted to open up casinos, which would compete with his casinos, he took out ads stating that "...Indian record of criminal activity is well documented" and that "organized crime is rampant" on Indian reservations.
13- "Pocahontas"
14- Referring to a Hispanic Miss Universe contestant as "Miss Housekeeping"
15- Wondering, out loud, why a Korean-American intelligence analyst was working on Pakistan policy and not North Korea policy.

I'm sure there are other examples out there. You can dismiss, or excuse away any or all of them. But to others, the pattern is quite clear.

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You can dismiss, or excuse away any or all of them. But to others, the pattern is quite clear.

 

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If you look hard enough you can find a pattern to claim just about anything.

 

Don’t fall for the propaganda.

 

I know well-educated successful upper middle class minorities who have it better than 90% of Americans that have been convinced they are victims in a systematically racist country.

 

Because they’ve found a “pattern” and they can justifiably compare 2018 New England to 1968 Mississippi.

 

Some people just want to complain and be victims. Most of us are tired of it.

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I think Trump's whole statement was "....like people from Norway AND ASIA."  The media conveniently leaves the last two words off his statement because it does not fit the liberal narrative and hampers their ability to stir up shit.

Having been involved in Operation Support Democracy (also known as Operation Support Democrats, The Haitian Invasion, and/or Operation Rum Punch by those of us that ended up in Puerto Rico), the pre-attack briefing given by the Intel folks pretty much painted a shithole picture of a country.  We were only going to shoot TP ammo so we would decrease the odds of setting the slums on fire which could not be put out once burning.  Our only "armored" targets were thin skinned V-150s and the 30mm TP ammo will punch through 4 inches of armor so no big deal but you lose the HEI effectiveness on area targets that have no armor such as people.  I flew into Haiti after the latest earthquake with a 767 full of relief cargo and aid workers.  Looked and smelled like a shithole.  Last but not least, liberals will say we can't send illegals back to their home countries BECAUSE????...their countries are shitholes.  The liberal "scream at the sky" emotional meltdown continues.

For those who haven't read it, author Jared Diamond (also wrote Guns, Germs, and Steel) wrote Collapse.  The book covers failed cultures from the past that are no more other than what we find via artifacts.  He also does a great job describing FAILING cultures and compares Haiti to the Dominican Republic where the former is failing and the latter is doing okay despite being neighbors on a small island.  Both books are good reads.

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51 minutes ago, matmacwc said:

No shit:

 

Huh, wonder how much that cost the Donald in a "donation" to the Rainbow Push Coalition.

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1 hour ago, 17D_guy said:

Huh, wonder how much that cost the Donald in a "donation" to the Rainbow Push Coalition.

Or maybe, just maybe, he isn't a racist. And he played the cards necessary to get certain demographics to vote for him. Just a thought.

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On 1/16/2018 at 3:32 PM, Inertia17 said:

Or maybe, just maybe, he isn't a racist. And he played the cards necessary to get certain demographics to vote for him. Just a thought.

Nah, he likes paying whores.

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8 hours ago, 17D_guy said:

Nah, he likes paying whores.

They're not whores.   Fucking is their Job.

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Given the millions that he paid for each divorce, I'd say a direct cash transaction was the smarter business decision...

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17 hours ago, BFM this said:

They're not whores.   Fucking is their Job.

damnit... fair play, Sir.

:beer:

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On 5/10/2017 at 12:41 PM, nsplayr said:

Here's a view from the other side, although to be honest the whole notion of "another side" of things is part of what's hurting our country very badly right now:

Comey absolutely fucked up in his handling of the Clinton email investigation. I basically fully agree with the memo written by the recently confirmed Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein that can be read here. In an alternate bizarro world, if DAG Rosenstein was serving under a President Hillary Clinton, I would be fully supporting of Comey being fired for the reasons stated. The FBI needs to never be even perceived as putting a thumb on the scale during any election. Although even with Comey's election-season actions, I'm generally an institutionalist and don't like to see tumultuous upheaval in important US institutions. If Clinton and Comey could have found a way to coexist in the same administration, that would have also been fine by me, even preferable. FBI Directors are supposed to serve 10-year terms that are not aligned with Presidential administrations for a reason.

That all being said, everything changed when the March 20th Comey testimony in front of the House Intelligence Committee happened. At that point, Attorney General Jeff Sessions, Comey's boss at DOJ, had recused himself of any possible inquiries into ties between the Trump campaign and Russia after it was revealed he had undisclosed contacts with Russian Ambassador Kislyak. On March 20th, while under oath, Comey confirmed what many suspected for months, that the FBI had an open and ongoing inquiry into the Trump campaign and possible ties to Russia. This isn't "fake news" propagated by the "liberal media" and Democrats, it's straight from the horse's mouth while under oath.

As soon as that was openly acknowledged, Comey absolutely, 100% needed to remain in place. With Sessions recused and the FBI typically being fairly independent anyways, Comey was completely in charge of investigating the sitting President's campaign and associates, looking for possible ties to, collusion with or other assorted nefarious business with Russians and/or the Russian government. That investigation is still happening today.

Now Comey is summarily fired, ostensibly for reasons not related to the Russia investigation, and that is a really, really shocking turn of events. There is bipartisan outcry over Comey's firing and for good reason.

In the House, Justin Amash, a member of the very conservative House Freedom Caucus, is looking at legislation that would establish an independent commission on Russia, and further called the second paragraph of President Trump's letter firing Comey "bizarre." Republican Senators Jeff Flake, Ben Sasse, John McCain and Richard Burr among others have put out statements variously stating they are "very troubled," calling for a Congressional select committee, and generally decrying Comey's departure. Democratic legislators have obviously been even harsher in their condemnations.

Look, partisanship is a hell of a drug, I take it myself regularly. During the Obama years, and 2011/2012 in particular, I was a vigorous defender of President Obama's policies and leadership qualities on the boards here. I was highly inclined to see the best in him and his actions, and quick to downplay what others saw (rightfully or not) as missteps, errors, or bad intentions. So I get it, trust me.

But where do we draw the line? When do Republicans stand up for The Republic first and party second? I'd like to think that were these the action of a Democratic President, I would be making similar arguments to my political allies on the left.

Here's the bottom line, pretend you're reading this about some tropical South American backwater if that helps: the President just abruptly fired the leading domestic law enforcement official who was leading an ongoing investigation into that President's previous election campaign, looking into possible ties between the campaign and a hostile foreign power.

This is not a good turn of events for the country, no matter who you support politically.

NS, it's interesting for me to go back and read your assessments of current events before we knew what we know now regrading the complete BS of the Russia collusion investigation.  Turns out the "open investigation of Trump ties to Russia" was made up lies from Russia, paid for by the DNC, used as a source for the FISA wire taps, and have thus far produced nothing but embarrassment for the FBI.  

In light of the constant flow of information daily about just how corrupt this Russian collusion narrative really is, have you begun to revise your earlier assessment on the story?

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11 hours ago, tac airlifter said:

In light of the constant flow of information daily about just how corrupt this Russian collusion narrative really is, have you begun to revise your earlier assessment on the story?

IMHO you’re putting a ton of bias into this assessment of the situation. And I keep up with Fox News somewhat, so I’m aware of the stories they are featuring. Just realize that this is one particular narrative of a process that is largely opaque by design and not necessarily the facts.

So long story short to answer your question: no. 

What I fear at this point is that Mueller will release the results of his investigation and only ~45% of people  will believe him depending on what he says. I would imagine that given one of the possible outcomes, you’re fully prepared to join the non-believers.

10% of that fear is that Mueller will clear the President of any wrongdoing (even though several of his associates have already plead guilty to various crimes), and liberals won’t believe it and will want POTUS strung up from the nearest tree anyways, which will put the country in a bad place. I am not one of those people but I know some.

90% of that fear is that Mueller will bring damning evidence along with charges and the right wing won’t believe him, the GOP Congress won’t back him, and he’ll be fired which will put the country in a very bad place.

I believe in Mueller’s integrity based on his incredibly sterling reputation as a long-serving, non-partisan public servant  and law enforcement official. I plan to believe the results of his investigation no matter the outcome (within reason, it’s not blind faith obviously).

I hope most folks out there can commit to the same so we can, as a nation, once again at least start to have a conversation based on a shared set of facts and values. This is an important test for whether or not that kind of shared worldview is even possible anymore, and unfortunately I’m not optimistic. 

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Fair reply.  I’ll ask again when the results come out.  I enjoy your opinions and appreciate being able to follow your logic...it makes it easier for me to see where exactly were disagree.  That’s not the case with most liberals I know, so thanks!

I’m not a Fox News cultist, but the difference between what they are reporting versus CNN on this investigation is striking and based on public congressional testimony.  The much hyped 4 page memo about FISA abuses is something I’d hope we can agree should be released.  I am curious if you are concerned about the DNC collusion with Russia to invent fake dossier claims which are then used as evidence to authorize FISA wiretaps of political opponents?  Because those are unbiased facts in public record.

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The many shots of the democrat party not acknowledging the good news happening in our country is quite telling. The Congressional Black Caucus not even clapping at the lowest black unemployment on record and many other instances of failing to support our country’s successes. It really makes you wonder who they are serving because to me it looks like they care about illegal immigrants more than they do their supposed constituents.

I dislike the path to citizenship because I think anyone here illegally should never be allowed to vote. I also dislike the $1.5T infrastructure plan, because just like the stimulus it will add to the debt and will lead to wasteful/fraudulent spending. Other than that I thought it was pretty good.

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2 hours ago, MooseAg03 said:

The many shots of the democrat party not acknowledging the good news happening in our country is quite telling.

Did the GOP clap while Obama was touting how millions of people gained health insurance under the ACA? Remember when former Rep. Joe Wilson interrupted the President during a Joint Session address by yelling out, “You lie!”?

I went to the way-back machine for a  story about the response to Obama’s first SOTU: http://content.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1957301,00.html

The opposition’s lack of enthusiastic support for a President of the other party isn’t news, it’s par for the course.

A true rally round the flag effect only happens during a genuine crisis, like when GWB’s approval rating a shot to > 90% after 9/11 and the Senate passed the PATRIOT ACT 98-1.

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I'll just say it was a pretty good speech.  Partisan will be partisan, fine, but America is watching and what the Demo's seem to be doubling down on how they acted last election, keep it up, the Republican party is counting on it.

Side note, Ivanka runs as a Democrat in 2024, I think landslide would be an understatement and quite possibly the plan all along knowing how he feels about his family.

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