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When MSNBC announced Trump's win in Iowa, there was an audible grunt from Rachel Madow. By the sound of it, she apparently sat on her sack wrong. Happens to the best of us.

Want to slash American carbon?  Build nuclear power plants.  

You've made 8000 posts in this thread.  At one point last week you were averaging one post every 18 seconds.  Your position is well established.  Everybody including yourself knows why you chose to pr

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Well, Trump could have established a cabinet level position on COVID response.  Heck, he could have simply put his HHS secretary out front and just stepped out of the camera and shut the hell up and it would have been something at least.
But there's nothing I can say that will make you step back and realize what a complete and utter failure this President has been in nearly every aspect of leadership.  You would not tolerate this kind of leadership at the squadron, yet you think that it somehow works at the national level.

Dude. Creating a cabinet level position. Or having an HHS secretary deal with it isn’t a plan or a solution. What would those individuals done that would have helped with covid. That is the question.
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Just now, Guardian said:


Dude. Creating a cabinet level position. Or having an HHS secretary deal with it isn’t a plan or a solution. What would those individuals done that would have helped with covid. That is the question.

Sigh....

I already told you .... I'm not going to write a white paper on this.

I could list 30 things that the president could have done in response to COVID and the response would be the same..... BuT WhAt CoULd He hAvE doNe????

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6 minutes ago, Guardian said:

You assume a lot. You didn’t try to write down things. Just claim you could and that I would respond by ignoring you.

Man that is some good arguing and point making there!

But, I'm not wrong.

And....On January 20th this national nightmare will be over.

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27 minutes ago, Homestar said:

But, I'm not wrong.

And....On January 20th this national nightmare will be over.

And the next begins, where we start walking back our foreign policy gains on China, Russia, and Iran, but the POTUS appears "more coherent."  It's all about trade offs.

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1 hour ago, SurelySerious said:

But still...as President what ACTION would Biden have done differently that would have had a real, substantial effect? Literally present a more coherent presence, is that it? 
 

Edit: because from listening to Biden...I don’t think he has any actionable plan apart from appearing to “listen to experts,” because what action that stems from Presidential powers would change what is currently happening?

Let’s assume, for argument’s sake, that Trump’s policy response was identical to a hypothetical alternate president. You don’t think that rhetoric alone can have a net positive or negative effect on a crisis? I’m sorry but the guy who publicly advocates injecting bleach into the population writ large does not promote confidence from said population. This “only policy matters” take is a cop out by those trying to justify placing an utter moron into the highest office in the land to themselves. Yes, policy matters, but so does character. “The ends justify the means” has never been a morally effective argument in this country. The character of our leaders is a pillar of what has allowed the United States to (rightly) claim the moral high ground for most of its existence and may be the most devastating casualty of the last four years. 

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4 hours ago, Guardian said:


Dude. Creating a cabinet level position. Or having an HHS secretary deal with it isn’t a plan or a solution. What would those individuals done that would have helped with covid. That is the question.

For starters his administration literally could have just not nixed the pandemic response team. 

https://apnews.com/article/ce014d94b64e98b7203b873e56f80e9a

Biden even called the Trump administration out on it months before covid hit:

https://twitter.com/joebiden/status/1187829299207954437?lang=en

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He downplayed it and doubled down on his base.  It's literally what he always does.  The far right thought it was a hoax, the far left was terrified and wanted to shut everything down, and most folks in the middle wanted a tempered response with a dash of human in it.  Instead he stoked conspiracies for months, created drama with his highly popular NIAID director, and tried to change the subject away from a global pandemic killing more citizens each day.  It didn't work, and across the country everyone to the left of "tin foil hat" on the political spectrum got to watch the spectacle of trumpies losing their shit in public because they had to put on a mask while everyone else is just trying to survive and pay bills.  It was embarassing to see the most powerful man in the world encouraging these people.  The bar was super low...own up for not taking it seriously initially, act legitimately concerned, plead with folks to chip in and wear a mask, set a good example.  It's fucking leadership 101.  Trump was determined to win on "hard-mode" and he repeatedly watched softball pitches fly by.  Thank god.

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1 minute ago, Prozac said:

Let’s assume, for argument’s sake, that Trump’s policy response was identical to a hypothetical alternate president. You don’t think that rhetoric alone can have a net positive or negative effect on a crisis? I’m sorry but the guy who publicly advocates injecting bleach into the population writ large does not promote confidence from said population. This “only policy matters” take is a cop out by those trying to justify placing an utter moron into the highest office in the land to themselves. Yes, policy matters, but so does character. “The ends justify the means” has never been a morally effective argument in this country. The character of our leaders is a pillar of what has allowed the United States to (rightly) claim the moral high ground for most of its existence and may be the most devastating casualty of the last four years. 

Biden doesn't have any true character gain.  The dude is a facade.  He has no actual plan in mind, just words along the lines of "trust me, I have a plan."  Also, I find that after 47 years he's really not done anything as a public official.  Quit justifying Biden because he's "not Trump."  Not being Trump doesn't make him good.

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Let’s assume, for argument’s sake, that Trump’s policy response was identical to a hypothetical alternate president. You don’t think that rhetoric alone can have a net positive or negative effect on a crisis? I’m sorry but the guy who publicly advocates injecting bleach into the population writ large does not promote confidence from said population. This “only policy matters” take is a cop out by those trying to justify placing an utter moron into the highest office in the land to themselves. Yes, policy matters, but so does character. “The ends justify the means” has never been a morally effective argument in this country. The character of our leaders is a pillar of what has allowed the United States to (rightly) claim the moral high ground for most of its existence and may be the most devastating casualty of the last four years. 

He said inject bleech? I’m not aware of that. I saw some things where he talked about disinfectant and figuring out if it was possible to do inside the body but I don’t think he said inject cleaning products.

https://www.politifact.com/article/2020/apr/24/context-what-donald-trump-said-about-disinfectant-/

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24 minutes ago, SurelySerious said:

Biden doesn't have any true character gain.  The dude is a facade.  He has no actual plan in mind, just words along the lines of "trust me, I have a plan."  Also, I find that after 47 years he's really not done anything as a public official.  Quit justifying Biden because he's "not Trump."  Not being Trump doesn't make him good.

I simply answered your previous question. I didn’t even mention Biden in my response. I purposely referred to a “hypothetical alternate president”. That could’ve been a President Rubio, a President Cruz, a President Bush, Obama, or yes a President Biden. I believe that any of those choices would have chosen a unifying and coherent message vs Trump’s bombast and gibberish. This is a case where “being presidential” absolutely matters and would have led to a far more cohesive national response. Do you dispute that Trump’s rhetoric was damaging?

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46 minutes ago, Prozac said:

I simply answered your previous question. I didn’t even mention Biden in my response. I purposely referred to a “hypothetical alternate president”. That could’ve been a President Rubio, a President Cruz, a President Bush, Obama, or yes a President Biden. I believe that any of those choices would have chosen a unifying and coherent message vs Trump’s bombast and gibberish. This is a case where “being presidential” absolutely matters and would have led to a far more cohesive national response. Do you dispute that Trump’s rhetoric was damaging?

You didn’t have to mention Biden, it’s the only other (realistic) current option. 

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This place is turning into r/Politics. It is starting to get really annoying and childish to see so many disparage our Commander and Chief. 

 

You all should exit the military. Y'all would be a perfect fit for Vox writing their opinion columns. 

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1 hour ago, Guardian said:


He said inject bleech? I’m not aware of that. I saw some things where he talked about disinfectant and figuring out if it was possible to do inside the body but I don’t think he said inject cleaning products.

https://www.politifact.com/article/2020/apr/24/context-what-donald-trump-said-about-disinfectant-/

You must be hella fun in a debrief.

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11 minutes ago, Seadogs said:

This place is turning into r/Politics. It is starting to get really annoying and childish to see so many disparage our Commander and Chief. 

 

You all should exit the military. Y'all would be a perfect fit for Vox writing their opinion columns. 

Uh oh, people don't agree with you on something so we're going the wrong way, and you don't like it?! 

Cry somewhere else like a bitch.  We're having big boy discussions in here.

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34 minutes ago, Negatory said:

This letter from GWB is the type of presidential character that I cant imagine Trump having. And I’m looking forward to hopefully seeing more of it.

https://www.bushcenter.org/about-the-center/newsroom/press-releases/2020/11/president-george-w-bush-statement-joe-biden.html

https://thefederalist.com/2020/10/26/four-years-later-bitter-hillary-clinton-claims-2016-election-was-stolen-from-her/

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“I don’t think he has any boundaries at all, Kara. I don’t think he has any conscience,” she said. “He’s obviously not a moral, truthful man. So he will do whatever he can to lift himself up. And remember, as I said, he lives with this specter of illegitimacy.”

 Yeah. Class act. 

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5 hours ago, Guardian said:


People keep saying this. But I haven’t heard one suggestion that is different than what he did.

Really. I haven’t heard another suggestion as to how it could have been better or different with statements as to how they know it would have been better.

Please, tell me,what could have been done better when the entire Democratic Party was wrapped up in Russia, calling trump a xenophobic and still to this day have no better suggestions.

You guys ever have a bad sortie where a lot of folks died, and in debrief you looked back on the plan and said "welp...not much else we could have done.  we pretty much nailed it."?  Yeah me neither.  It's amazing to see some of the best tactical minds I've met suddenly go blind when it comes to identifying DFPs, root causes, contributing factors and coming up with instructional fixes when it comes to politics.  

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1 hour ago, Seadogs said:

This place is turning into r/Politics. It is starting to get really annoying and childish to see so many disparage our Commander and Chief. 

 

You all should exit the military. Y'all would be a perfect fit for Vox writing their opinion columns. 

Maybe your Commander-In-Chief, but some of us have that coveted DD-214 and left the dumpster fire known as the USAF years ago.

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8 hours ago, Waingro said:

It's looking like he'll come away with 306 electoral votes, more than Trump won with in 2016. Which Kellyanne Conway at the time called a landslide and a blowout. 

 

You're right about the shifting demographics. Democrats should be concerned, especially in places like Florida. I think there are some weak areas for the GOP too, that they should look to shore up. Arizona was a surprise, and Texas was closer than it had any reason to be. 

She was wrong, as usual. Both Trump and Biden barely won their elections.

 

Agreed. 

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