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Want to slash American carbon?  Build nuclear power plants.  

When MSNBC announced Trump's win in Iowa, there was an audible grunt from Rachel Madow. By the sound of it, she apparently sat on her sack wrong. Happens to the best of us.

You've made 8000 posts in this thread.  At one point last week you were averaging one post every 18 seconds.  Your position is well established.  Everybody including yourself knows why you chose to pr

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39 minutes ago, Sim said:

I expect nothing less from tweeter shit-poster in chief. He's been this way from the start.  

Just today he trolled media and had them go to "four seasons" and then add "landscaping" 30 minutes prior.  

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Trumps ploy will be to delegitimize Biden's Presidency the same way Democrats worked to delegitimize Trump's through Russia Gate. This will have an interesting outcome though. With Russia Gate, Trump was put in a peculiar situation where he needed to assert he wasn't in collusion with Russia but be careful to investigate the matter too deeply in order to avoid bringing credence to a claim for delegitimization. The same thing will happen now with polling. The Democrats will continue to deny fraud happened but this is dangerous because if any fraud is found its going to implicate them, even if its minor. It won't change the election outcome but it will continue to keep a base of Republican voters energized for 2024. 

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I think trumps tantrums grow more severe and indefensible by the minute. The man has never lost at anything, never been told "no," and as a result he will continue this classless flailing for as long as he can. It will accomplish nothing except turn off more moderate voters from republicans and delay conservatives from being able to take control of their party back. 

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14 minutes ago, Pooter said:

The man has never lost at anything

He’s had multiple business fail. He just denies that he had anything to do with the failure, you know, like the amazing leader he is. The best. Everyone agrees. 

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Don't be a tool. I read it wrong, that's why I asked for a link. He provided it. I was corrected. NBD.

Point still stands, what's wrong with what she's asking? I think k she's way too immature/inexperienced to be good at her job yet, and the GND is a complete non starter, but she's got a point in remembering who the hypocrites are.


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Dude. Chill out. It was you who were calling people out for quoting a tweet you couldn’t find because of your self admitted lack of Twitter knowledge.
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1 hour ago, Sim said:

I expect nothing less from tweeter shit-poster in chief. He's been this way from the start.  

Just today he trolled media and had them go to "four seasons" and then add "landscaping" 30 minutes prior.  

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The media has been "trolling" him every waking minute for the last 5 years.  

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5 minutes ago, Sim said:

Interesting. Please educate...? 

I can probably count on both hands the number of nice things I've heard the media say about Trump over the last 5 years.  He's viscously attacked no matter what he does.  They don't even try to be objective.  What they've been casting him and his supporters as has been very harmful to the social fabric of the country.

Trump has actually trolled the media with these last minute "mix ups" on several occasions.  I always find it humorous and, in contrast with what the media does to him, it is harmless.  

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10 minutes ago, Slick said:

I can probably count on both hands the number of nice things I've heard the media say about Trump over the last 5 years.  He's viscously attacked no matter what he does.  They don't even try to be objective.  What they've been casting him and his supporters as has been very harmful to the social fabric of the country.

OK. I don't think you know what the word "trolling" means. And I agree with your message above. :beer:

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1 hour ago, Homestar said:

So what’s the OPLAN for if Trump physically refuses to vacate 1600 Pennsylvania Ave on January 20?

Like, do you call the Marines?

Shouldn't even have to make the call.  They should already be self-mobilizing.  If doing everything possible to undermine faith in the democratic process (I'm not talking about lawsuits) isn't quite enough to classify you a "domestic enemy" of the Constitution, then refusing to abdicate would remove all doubt.  Not that it would work this way in reality, but there should be 1.5 million members of the military moving on D.C. to honor their oath.  I didn't vote for Biden and I'm no longer beholden to any oath, but I'd make the trip if it became necessary.

The fact that the electorate put a person in power that would make these kinds of questions less than batshit crazy to entertain is an embarassment for the country.  As Robert O'Neill said of Trump's desired military parade in D.C.: that's "3rd world bullshit".  So is having to think about this.

The international community has been watching 3rd world bullshit from the highest level of government in this country for 4 years.  It does no favors to our status as the last standing superpower.  China is surging economically but we have always had uncreachable high-ground over them (and others) from all other angles.  We're a little less untouchable than we used to be and have nobody to blame but ourselves.

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1 hour ago, Slick said:

I can probably count on both hands the number of nice things I've heard the media say about Trump over the last 5 years.  He's viscously attacked no matter what he does.  They don't even try to be objective.  What they've been casting him and his supporters as has been very harmful to the social fabric of the country.

Trump has actually trolled the media with these last minute "mix ups" on several occasions.  I always find it humorous and, in contrast with what the media does to him, it is harmless.  

Except Fox.

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2 hours ago, Mark1 said:

Shouldn't even have to make the call.  They should already be self-mobilizing.  If doing everything possible to undermine faith in the democratic process (I'm not talking about lawsuits) isn't quite enough to classify you a "domestic enemy" of the Constitution, then refusing to abdicate would remove all doubt.  Not that it would work this way in reality, but there should be 1.5 million members of the military moving on D.C. to honor their oath.  I didn't vote for Biden and I'm no longer beholden to any oath, but I'd make the trip if it became necessary.

The fact that the electorate put a person in power that would make these kinds of questions less than batshit crazy to entertain is an embarassment for the country.  As Robert O'Neill said of Trump's desired military parade in D.C.: that's "3rd world bullshit".  So is having to think about this.

The international community has been watching 3rd world bullshit from the highest level of government in this country for 4 years.  It does no favors to our status as the last standing superpower.  China is surging economically but we have always had uncreachable high-ground over them (and others) from all other angles.  We're a little less untouchable than we used to be and have nobody to blame but ourselves.

I know you are being dramatic, but the LAST thing that would restore confidence in the system is the military intervening to force a transition of power and civilian authority. Think about the precedent that would set.

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6 hours ago, Mark1 said:

Shouldn't even have to make the call.  They should already be self-mobilizing.  If doing everything possible to undermine faith in the democratic process (I'm not talking about lawsuits) isn't quite enough to classify you a "domestic enemy" of the Constitution, then refusing to abdicate would remove all doubt.  Not that it would work this way in reality, but there should be 1.5 million members of the military moving on D.C. to honor their oath.  I didn't vote for Biden and I'm no longer beholden to any oath, but I'd make the trip if it became necessary.

The fact that the electorate put a person in power that would make these kinds of questions less than batshit crazy to entertain is an embarassment for the country.  As Robert O'Neill said of Trump's desired military parade in D.C.: that's "3rd world bullshit".  So is having to think about this.

The international community has been watching 3rd world bullshit from the highest level of government in this country for 4 years.  It does no favors to our status as the last standing superpower.  China is surging economically but we have always had uncreachable high-ground over them (and others) from all other angles.  We're a little less untouchable than we used to be and have nobody to blame but ourselves.

I like your thought process here but we really need to start processing the trauma that China has likely already obtained supper power status on peer with us. They may not have the covnetional military quite there yet, but , if we look at Hybrid state theory via their Economic, Cyber, and Intelligence platforms, they have global reach. A good example was how they forced airlines to recognize Taiwan as part of the PRC. Another good example is how they forced American super businesses like Disney to recognize their claim to the 9 dash line. They spend equally on their military us, (when calculated for price parity and personnel costs) and they are only a couple years away from tech superiority to us. 

I'm only point this out because it's really important our next POTUS realise this and realise the rules have change on the global landscape. We aren't the only bad boy in town anymore. Out next POTUS needs to be super cognicent of that and realize we have to take a different approach now than world police. 

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Opsie. More little glitches. 

https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/elections/michigan-republican-wins-election-after-county-fixes-glitch-originally

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Adam Kochenderfer was originally declared the loser in his race against Democrat Melanie Hartman for a position on the Oakland County Board of Commissioners. The narrow race appeared to end with Hartman the winner by just 104 votes. 

Yet the county clerk soon discovered that a set of absentee ballots had actually been reported in the voter totals twice. Once the duplicate set was removed, Kochenderfer came out ahead by 1,127 votes.

 

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On 11/5/2020 at 7:19 AM, FLEA said:

I'm going to be honest. Politically I detest her. We couldn't be more opposite on so many things. I also don't think she has all of her platforms well thought out. I do not think she's stupid though, just not as expereinced. We take for granted sometimes as officers we have a broad understanding of government, and policy. But at the end of the day, none of us ran for office, and she did. 

Morally though I somewhat admire her. She was unhappy with her circumstances, ran an extremely fierce campaign as an under dog, and stood strongly in front of a wave of criticism on everything from her background to her looks from opponents that would not take her seriously. This ultimately backfired, because now you have to take her seriously. Whether you like to admit it or not, she has political pull and influence. That equates to power, and so long as she had power, she matters. Would love to see some younger Republicans generate the same energy but they largely just don't exist. 

She was also dead nuts on about Amazon. Conservatives really shit the bed on that one.

 

If anybody thinks that the world's most powerful corporation running a beauty pageant for the cities of America, so they would turn over what is usually heavily guarded tax and policy information, so that company could pick the most tax advantaged location to open their next mega center, is somehow what capitalism is supposed to look like, then conservatives don't deserve to be the defenders of capitalism. 

She's just another liberal. Good at identifying problems, bad at identifying causes and solutions.

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You know, I think this was the best case scenario for a Trump loss. It might even be better than a Trump win, assuming the GOP can pick the right candidate for 2024.

 

Trump loses, but the rest of the Republican political class wins, keeping the senate and gaining in the house, as well as picking up some state legislatures. That's a clear repudiation of the man, not the party.

 

Keeping the senate means effectively zero progressive wishlist items will happen in the next two years.

 

Biden, let's not forget, is a fool who was not-too-long-ago frustrating his party as VP for always trying to make deals with Mitch Mcconnell. I see that continuing.

 

Biden's win was small, so not a mandate. And amazingly, Trump gained in all voter groups *except* white men. If you don't think there are some (D) strategists right now melting down over that, I've got something to sell you. A black Republican who speaks Spanish would obliterate what's left of the democratic coalition.

 

Mail in balloting is here to stay, and even with the most mailed-in election in history, by far, Biden barely won. The previous (D) advantage in early and mail-in voting will evaporate once the (R) figure out they need to embrace it.

 

No more crazy Trump tweets is a win for the country. I'm concerned about foreign relations, which was unfortunately Trump's strongest area, but at least the split government will temper any gross reversals. As stated, China is the threat.

 

And some California and NY seats flipped, which should indicate restlessness amongst the victims of the high-tax low-freedom regimes that have controlled state policy for decades.

 

Could have been a lot worse

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I’m concerned that Biden has tried to reach out to trump supporters in word only. He has already said he will make a sweeping amount of executive decisions to undo what trump has done. So reaching out doesn’t really mean what he thinks it means. It means he changes the things he and his party want while saying hi to the trump supporters and effectively saying hope you feel better and then going on his merry reduced mental capacity way.

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30 minutes ago, Guardian said:

I’m concerned that Biden has tried to reach out to trump supporters in word only. He has already said he will make a sweeping amount of executive decisions to undo what trump has done. So reaching out doesn’t really mean what he thinks it means. It means he changes the things he and his party want while saying hi to the trump supporters and effectively saying hope you feel better and then going on his merry reduced mental capacity way.

Yeah his statements on unity were extraordinarily tone deaf given he came from the administration that started the great divide. It's political theater. He has no intention of unifying the US public. 

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18 minutes ago, FLEA said:

Yeah his statements on unity were extraordinarily tone deaf given he came from the administration that started the great divide. It's political theater. He has no intention of unifying the US public. 

What in your opinion were Obama's most divisive actions?  Do you feel like Trump was "payback" for the division you felt under Obama?

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2 hours ago, FLEA said:

Yeah his statements on unity were extraordinarily tone deaf given he came from the administration that started the great divide. It's political theater. He has no intention of unifying the US public. 

Uh, the “Great Divide” started before that. That was Newt Gingrich being Speaker of the House going all in on Bill Clinton for getting a blowie from an intern and lying about it. But the economy was great, Clinton was popular, and it backfired on Newt and he left the House. I think it would’ve continued, however 9/11 happened within the first two years of Bush Jr’s tenure, and the country came together when OEF/OIF kicked off. Now it’s turned into some tribalism between both parties. I think Trump losing is great for the GOP because they can stop faking that they support Trump’s policies and have an imposter as the face of the party.

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