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1 hour ago, tac airlifter said:

First sentence: proven this happened with the Clinton campaign.  Any proof Trump campaign did this?  

Senate Select Committee on Intelligence Report Vol. 5 page 943.

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The Committee's bipartisan Report found that a member of the Trump Campaign's foreign policy advisory team was provided with advance notice of the Russian plot to anonymously release hacked emails that would damage Trump's opponent and the Report found that it is implausible that this information was not passed to the Campaign. The advance notice of a forthcoming covert Russian intervention on Trump's behalf came from an individual linked to the Russian government, and took place in April 2016, prior to any public awareness of the Russian meddling effort. No authorities were notified.

 

1 hour ago, tac airlifter said:

Second sentence: the transition team is supposed to initiate back door talks with other governments.  That’s how you get ready for front door talks a few months later.  And by “overturn US policy” do you mean “initiate new US policy they were elected to execute?

Back door talks should not include urging an ambassador to "delay a vote or veto a pending UN Security Council resolution."

Ref. https://www.lawfareblog.com/michael-flynn-plea-agreement-documents

 

1 hour ago, tac airlifter said:

Third sentence: what does that question have to do with anything?  I’m confused at the relevance of the connection.

This was a reply to brickhistory on Vindman "feel[ing] like they can take on political leadership they don't happen to like, then it's all moot and we become who can gain/hold power by means that I don't get a vote about"

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6 hours ago, brickhistory said:

Blather and nonsense.

As I wrote in a previous post, unmaskings of Americans, wildly overused by the Obama Administration, are at an industrial scale under the current one.

More blather and nonsense.

Do you have anything showing this was "wildly overused" by the Obama administration.  Given this was a new level of interference by a formidable state actor, with a willing and compliant candidate and transition team...what options would you suggest the current President use?  Don't act like historical norms should be adhered to, this was new ground.

I've gone through the Intelligence training on collection and the other things you mention.  You're acting like it got brought up to the Honorable Appointees and they went, "Republican?  Fuck em." 

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Biden gave a speech yesterday in Pittsburgh.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/joe-biden-speech-pittsburgh-trump-violence-cities/

 

Here was the crowd (all journalists):

joe-biden-pittsburgh-speech-6-reporters-600x384.jpg

Biden had some really weird sentences that literally made no sense.  Could be he couldn't read the teleprompter.  Could be the fact that he's 77.

And he took no questions.  

From an audience of only journalists.

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Biden gave a speech yesterday in Pittsburgh.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/joe-biden-speech-pittsburgh-trump-violence-cities/
 
Here was the crowd (all journalists):
joe-biden-pittsburgh-speech-6-reporters-600x384.jpg
Biden had some really weird sentences that literally made no sense.  Could be he couldn't read the teleprompter.  Could be the fact that he's 77.
And he took no questions.  
From an audience of only journalists.

You’re right, Trump never is incoherent... Why do people continue to make this stupid point. For every video of Biden (I’m no fan of Biden BTW) you can probably find 2 or more of Trump allowing hot air out without making a single point. Except maybe how awesome he is and how unfair the media is.

Also, super great slam on someone trying to show actual leadership and set an example of what leadership is requesting people do... What a tool for trying to do the right thing. He should make fun of someone with a disability instead, or refuse to condemn extremists that support him. That would make the Trump crowd happy.


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5 minutes ago, slackline said:


You’re right, Trump never is incoherent... Why do people continue to make this stupid point. For every video of Biden (I’m no fan of Biden BTW) you can probably find 2 or more of Trump allowing hot air out without making a single point. Except maybe how awesome he is and how unfair the media is.

Also, super great slam on someone trying to show actual leadership and set an example of what leadership is requesting people do... What a tool for trying to do the right thing. He should make fun of someone with a disability instead, or refuse to condemn extremists that support him. That would make the Trump crowd happy.


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He’s a fucking vegetable. 

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He’s a ing vegetable. 

Unsure which septuagenarian you’re referring too? The one who can’t walk down a super steep ramp? Or the one who recognizes he’s in a high risk category, therefore keeping an appropriate distance away from them. Please be more specific.

ETA: I think both men are absolutely horrible options for leading this country. Why can’t good people make it to the highest levels? Maybe I’m an idealist, but I don’t buy the argument (unsure if it’s FLEA who’s made it or not) that people don’t care about the morals and ethics of the person in the office. I also don’t buy that you can’t remain a good person and make it to those levels. Unfortunately though, there are more stupid people out there who’ll buy every argument the liars make, and those stupid people get a vote too.

I still don’t know what I’m going to do when vote time comes. I do know that one makes my skin crawl a lot less than the other, and he currently represents our country.

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2 hours ago, slackline said:




ETA: I think both men are absolutely horrible options for leading this country. Why can’t good people make it to the highest levels? Maybe I’m an idealist, but I don’t buy the argument (unsure if it’s FLEA who’s made it or not) that people don’t care about the morals and ethics of the person in the office. I also don’t buy that you can’t remain a good person and make it to those levels. Unfortunately though, there are more stupid people out there who’ll buy every argument the liars make, and those stupid people get a vote too.

 

Specifically? Biden is a vegetable.  Trump has regressed to a child. But I’m with you on this part. 

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3 hours ago, slackline said:


I still don’t know what I’m going to do when vote time comes. I do know that one makes my skin crawl a lot less than the other, and he currently represents our country.

I understand you’re not fond of President Trump.  However, do you honestly assess Biden as mentally competent enough to be POTUS?  He clearly suffers from declining cognitive abilities.  

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Meanwhile in the Flynn soap opera,  on Monday, the entire DC Circuit Court of Appeals overturned the panel's decision to, essentially, vacate the case and sent it back to the District Court judge with the last line of the ruling "for him to finish this espeditiously." (paraphrased).  The Court did not want to set a precedent of if you didn't like a judge's ruling, you could seek to get another judge.  Since Sullivan, the original District judge, hasn't ruled on dismissing the Flynn case after DOJ dropped prosecution, the Appeals Court is saying "let him rule before seeking appeal."  But Sullivan's appointment of a separate counsel to defend why he, Sullivan, shouldn't proceed with sentencing makes him hardly impartial.

That judge has set a 21 Sep date for the now three parties - Flynn, DOJ, and the judge's prosecutor - to come to an agreement about when to proceed. Which means any further action is even further down the road.  Some have conjectured that the judge has been trying all along to delay this until, to him, a new Biden DOJ picks the prosecution back up.

The times set do, IMO, seem to reinforce that belief especially given the Appeals Court's direction to "finish this."

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On 9/1/2020 at 6:07 PM, tac airlifter said:

I understand you’re not fond of President Trump.  However, do you honestly assess Biden as mentally competent enough to be POTUS?  He clearly suffers from declining cognitive abilities.  

Yes, the status quo is clearly the epitome of mental acuity...

“Look, having nuclear — my uncle was a great professor and scientist and engineer, Dr. John Trump at MIT; good genes, very good genes, OK, very smart, the Wharton School of Finance, very good, very smart — you know, if you’re a conservative Republican, if I were a liberal, if, like, OK, if I ran as a liberal Democrat, they would say I’m one of the smartest people anywhere in the world — it’s true! — but when you’re a conservative Republican they try — oh, do they do a number — that’s why I always start off: Went to Wharton, was a good student, went there, went there, did this, built a fortune — you know I have to give my like credentials all the time, because we’re a little disadvantaged — but you look at the nuclear deal, the thing that really bothers me — it would have been so easy, and it’s not as important as these lives are — nuclear is so powerful; my uncle explained that to me many, many years ago, the power and that was 35 years ago; he would explain the power of what’s going to happen and he was right, who would have thought? — but when you look at what’s going on with the four prisoners — now it used to be three, now it’s four — but when it was three and even now, I would have said it’s all in the messenger; fellas, and it is fellas because, you know, they don’t, they haven’t figured that the women are smarter right now than the men, so, you know, it’s gonna take them about another 150 years — but the Persians are great negotiators, the Iranians are great negotiators, so, and they, they just killed, they just killed us, this is horrible.”

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36 minutes ago, FDNYOldGuy said:

Yes, the status quo is clearly the epitome of mental acuity...

“Look, having nuclear — my uncle was a great professor and scientist and engineer, Dr. John Trump at MIT; good genes, very good genes, OK, very smart, the Wharton School of Finance, very good, very smart — you know, if you’re a conservative Republican, if I were a liberal, if, like, OK, if I ran as a liberal Democrat, they would say I’m one of the smartest people anywhere in the world — it’s true! — but when you’re a conservative Republican they try — oh, do they do a number — that’s why I always start off: Went to Wharton, was a good student, went there, went there, did this, built a fortune — you know I have to give my like credentials all the time, because we’re a little disadvantaged — but you look at the nuclear deal, the thing that really bothers me — it would have been so easy, and it’s not as important as these lives are — nuclear is so powerful; my uncle explained that to me many, many years ago, the power and that was 35 years ago; he would explain the power of what’s going to happen and he was right, who would have thought? — but when you look at what’s going on with the four prisoners — now it used to be three, now it’s four — but when it was three and even now, I would have said it’s all in the messenger; fellas, and it is fellas because, you know, they don’t, they haven’t figured that the women are smarter right now than the men, so, you know, it’s gonna take them about another 150 years — but the Persians are great negotiators, the Iranians are great negotiators, so, and they, they just killed, they just killed us, this is horrible.”

Now your what-about is making this into a game of relativity, and everyone loses that game. This does not change that Biden is incoherent. 

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5 hours ago, FDNYOldGuy said:

Yes, the status quo is clearly the epitome of mental acuity...

“Look, having nuclear — my uncle was a great professor and scientist and engineer, Dr. John Trump at MIT; good genes, very good genes, OK, very smart, the Wharton School of Finance, very good, very smart — you know, if you’re a conservative Republican, if I were a liberal, if, like, OK, if I ran as a liberal Democrat, they would say I’m one of the smartest people anywhere in the world — it’s true! — but when you’re a conservative Republican they try — oh, do they do a number — that’s why I always start off: Went to Wharton, was a good student, went there, went there, did this, built a fortune — you know I have to give my like credentials all the time, because we’re a little disadvantaged — but you look at the nuclear deal, the thing that really bothers me — it would have been so easy, and it’s not as important as these lives are — nuclear is so powerful; my uncle explained that to me many, many years ago, the power and that was 35 years ago; he would explain the power of what’s going to happen and he was right, who would have thought? — but when you look at what’s going on with the four prisoners — now it used to be three, now it’s four — but when it was three and even now, I would have said it’s all in the messenger; fellas, and it is fellas because, you know, they don’t, they haven’t figured that the women are smarter right now than the men, so, you know, it’s gonna take them about another 150 years — but the Persians are great negotiators, the Iranians are great negotiators, so, and they, they just killed, they just killed us, this is horrible.”

Pure poetry. I know poets and that man is the orator of our generation. Believe me.  He knows words. He has the best words. 

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5 hours ago, FDNYOldGuy said:

Yes, the status quo is clearly the epitome of mental acuity...

“Look, having nuclear — my uncle was a great professor and scientist and engineer, Dr. John Trump at MIT; good genes, very good genes, OK, very smart, the Wharton School of Finance, very good, very smart — you know, if you’re a conservative Republican, if I were a liberal, if, like, OK, if I ran as a liberal Democrat, they would say I’m one of the smartest people anywhere in the world — it’s true! — but when you’re a conservative Republican they try — oh, do they do a number — that’s why I always start off: Went to Wharton, was a good student, went there, went there, did this, built a fortune — you know I have to give my like credentials all the time, because we’re a little disadvantaged — but you look at the nuclear deal, the thing that really bothers me — it would have been so easy, and it’s not as important as these lives are — nuclear is so powerful; my uncle explained that to me many, many years ago, the power and that was 35 years ago; he would explain the power of what’s going to happen and he was right, who would have thought? — but when you look at what’s going on with the four prisoners — now it used to be three, now it’s four — but when it was three and even now, I would have said it’s all in the messenger; fellas, and it is fellas because, you know, they don’t, they haven’t figured that the women are smarter right now than the men, so, you know, it’s gonna take them about another 150 years — but the Persians are great negotiators, the Iranians are great negotiators, so, and they, they just killed, they just killed us, this is horrible.”

Still makes far more sense than the shit that spews out of Biden's pie hole! 

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28 minutes ago, Desk Jobs Suck said:

1 party is introducing socialist platforms, and 1 party is firmly against that. That is all one needs to know to make a logical choice. 

Sorry, I'm not really with you on this one.  The Republicans have more than proved themselves to be, at best, Democrat-lite, and more often than not, as anti-Trump as the crazies.

To wit, failing to support Trump after he won the nomination in 2016.  They rejected the rank and file party's rejection of them.  So I quit the GOP then.

Failing to overturn Obamacare when they held both Houses of Congress and the White House.  Thanks, McCain.  

Failing to oust Romney (Quisling is too kind a word for him) after he voted for one of the articles of impeachment.

And these are just the highlights.  There's literally hundreds more examples.

Oh, and failing to bring forward national reciprocity when they had the chance.

A pox on both parties.

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I did. Apparently he says it was a sarcastic remark meant to highlight the problems with voting by mail. The article clearly states the administration’s position. However, this is from the same man who has encouraged Republicans to vote in Democratic primaries with the intent of creating havoc and insisted he was joking when he suggested injecting disinfectant into the human body when clearly he was serious. His suggestion that his supporters show up at polling places to ensure their mail in vote was counted completely negates the idea of voting by mail as a method of mitigating virus spread and further shows that the man is only motivated by the preservation of his own inflated ego. 

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Failing to overturn Obamacare when they held both Houses of Congress and the White House.  Thanks, McCain.  


That's on the entire party. They bitched for YEARS about how screwed up Obamacare was, claiming they could do better.

Then they had the chance and had literally nothing prepared. They never even brought the outline of a plan. Over and over we heard repeal and replace, but they put no effort into a replacement. They showed all their outrage was just a big talking point and that they didn't really give a shit about the ACA. Just wanted to use it for politics.

Blame McCain for his vote, but don't blame him for the entire party wasting years into chasing the car and no thought into what they'd do when they caught it.

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Everyone needs to be confident (you had better have a spine in the military or get out, not the place for those who whine incessantly-no one raised our hands) - bear with me I am leading to a point and it takes awhile I know. A slight ego probably not a bad thing either. Super ego, well if you have the stats to back it up and that’s how you get things done, especially in this bureaucracy swamp/mess - have at it. Personally dumped the GOP during the 2016 debacle of watching 16 or so other candidates trying to smack Trump down. Orange Man gets it done - Read the checklist and get it done as he marks one after another off his list of promises. What about-Mexico ain’t paying for the wall they cry, well build the damn thing anyway and Orange Godzilla may just in the end have saved us billions and more in a trade war, other countries not paying their fair share in defense at our expense, bringing back our manufacturing capabilities so we’re not so dependent upon others like children, etc the list goes on and on. Can’t imagine what good or bad depending on your view had he had no attackers/road blocks to contend with like no other President/Politicians like all the rest. I don’t agree with it all of course not that it matters. Obamacare, yup no replacement, should have gone back to the old method anything would have been better. Pandemic measures taken, we hope we learn from this, but No-Body knew what exactly to do as we all spit out 20/20 hindsight like a Monday Morning Quarterback - Oh, that’s gone too - They need a reset on their pay scale as well, argue that one. Cares Act 2.0 if those who really need it were to get what’s required then fine, but there is no accountability the first time around and tired of all the hostage taking to get whoever’s unrelated agendas met. Remember, someone always has to pay the bill, printing means nothing as we were already in Astro debt prior to Pandemicpanic.   (Both parties look like they are part of the Willy Wonka Factory of misfit workers/at least Umpa Lumpas were working). Probably will be up to the suburban housewives as the deciding factor. Majority may still despise the Orange Monster, but they damn well understand what it means to feel unsafe in a world of unrest provided by looting, murder, arson, and rape, etc. just plain thuggery and domestic terrorism. Just visit a gun store, you will have your answer let alone the “huuuge” online sales and ammunition depletion. Those who know take care of themselves and are self reliant but that’s thinking for yourself and deplorable. Police reports are just that = a report! Truly Defund the police, see what happens at an extreme level. Socialism, they are more than happy to take the shirt off your back not theirs. Obviously nothing new, you all know this deep down, negative 2 cents at this point.

*No Billionaires on here perhaps and what ego would we have if we were. Fair to say, we would have a decent sized ego and maybe that’s what it takes in this insidious environment to get more than a couple of things unscrewed. Thank goodness that other Billionaire attempt at the Whitehouse tanked.

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11 hours ago, brickhistory said:

Sorry, I'm not really with you on this one.  The Republicans have more than proved themselves to be, at best, Democrat-lite, and more often than not, as anti-Trump as the crazies.

To wit, failing to support Trump after he won the nomination in 2016.  They rejected the rank and file party's rejection of them.  So I quit the GOP then.

Failing to overturn Obamacare when they held both Houses of Congress and the White House.  Thanks, McCain.  

Failing to oust Romney (Quisling is too kind a word for him) after he voted for one of the articles of impeachment.

And these are just the highlights.  There's literally hundreds more examples.

Oh, and failing to bring forward national reciprocity when they had the chance.

A pox on both parties.

You speak a lot of truth.  This is why Trump is so hated amongst the establishment, and so revered by many.  He’s not a politician.  He’s not a RINO.  He’s not a puppet.  

I don’t care about his personality; his policies are exactly what America needs.  I’d rather take a loud mouth New Yorker than an empty suit who can read a teleprompter.  Heck, Biden can’t even do that.  

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2 hours ago, AirGuardianC141747 said:

Everyone needs to be confident (you had better have a spine in the military or get out, not the place for those who whine incessantly-no one raised our hands) - bear with me I am leading to a point and it takes awhile I know. A slight ego probably not a bad thing either. Super ego, well if you have the stats to back it up and that’s how you get things done, especially in this bureaucracy swamp/mess - have at it. Personally dumped the GOP during the 2016 debacle of watching 16 or so other candidates trying to smack Trump down. Orange Man gets it done - Read the checklist and get it done as he marks one after another off his list of promises. What about-Mexico ain’t paying for the wall they cry, well build the damn thing anyway and Orange Godzilla may just in the end have saved us billions and more in a trade war, other countries not paying their fair share in defense at our expense, bringing back our manufacturing capabilities so we’re not so dependent upon others like children, etc the list goes on and on. Can’t imagine what good or bad depending on your view had he had no attackers/road blocks to contend with like no other President/Politicians like all the rest. I don’t agree with it all of course not that it matters. Obamacare, yup no replacement, should have gone back to the old method anything would have been better. Pandemic measures taken, we hope we learn from this, but No-Body knew what exactly to do as we all spit out 20/20 hindsight like a Monday Morning Quarterback - Oh, that’s gone too - They need a reset on their pay scale as well, argue that one. Cares Act 2.0 if those who really need it were to get what’s required then fine, but there is no accountability the first time around and tired of all the hostage taking to get whoever’s unrelated agendas met. Remember, someone always has to pay the bill, printing means nothing as we were already in Astro debt prior to Pandemicpanic.   (Both parties look like they are part of the Willy Wonka Factory of misfit workers/at least Umpa Lumpas were working). Probably will be up to the suburban housewives as the deciding factor. Majority may still despise the Orange Monster, but they damn well understand what it means to feel unsafe in a world of unrest provided by looting, murder, arson, and rape, etc. just plain thuggery and domestic terrorism. Just visit a gun store, you will have your answer let alone the “huuuge” online sales and ammunition depletion. Those who know take care of themselves and are self reliant but that’s thinking for yourself and deplorable. Police reports are just that = a report! Truly Defund the police, see what happens at an extreme level. Socialism, they are more than happy to take the shirt off your back not theirs. Obviously nothing new, you all know this deep down, negative 2 cents at this point.

*No Billionaires on here perhaps and what ego would we have if we were. Fair to say, we would have a decent sized ego and maybe that’s what it takes in this insidious environment to get more than a couple of things unscrewed. Thank goodness that other Billionaire attempt at the Whitehouse tanked.

Confident? Confident in what? That this guy will continue be incompetent if he’s re-elected? 
 

Let’s talk about that wall. As of the beginning of August, about 275 miles of wall had been built. Only 30 or so miles of new wall had been built where there were no existing barriers. Exact numbers may vary but I think you’ll agree that Trump has failed to come anywhere near achieving his vision of a big, beautiful wall spanning the length of the southern border. And no, Mexico has not paid for an inch of it. In fact, the military construction budget was pilfered to do it because, like with repealing the ACA, congress knows that a good talking point does not equal good government policy. If you want to call that a promise fulfilled, knock yourself out. The bigger, more tragic picture here is for all the talk about his stupid wall, there has been no meaningful discussion about real, effective, immigration reform. Want to curb illegal immigration? Maybe talk to the farmers and growers whose business model doesn’t work without cheap migrant labor. 
 

Back to repealing the ACA: N730 is exactly correct above. Republicans held both houses of Congress and the executive. They could have absolutely gotten that done, but in the decade since ACA was passed, conservatives have been wholely unable to come up with anything better. I would agree that the ACA has serious flaws. Republicans has their chance to fix it and abjectly failed. Trump could only offer the weak excuse: “who knew healthcare was so complicated?”. 
 

How about bringing law and order back to the apocalyptic cityscapes Trump so bleakly described in his inaugural speech? He’s been president for nearly four years. The streets that were actually bleak are bleaker and law and order is, in fact breaking down in places where it was previously peaceful. Trumps response has been to fan the flames and encourage his supporters to instigate further unrest. I do not believe for a second that The current or future Trump administration will make our streets remotely safer. The chaos he insists will be the result of a Biden administration is happening now, under his watch. 
 

What ever happened to infrastructure? Wasn’t that one of his “promises”? In four years his administration has been unable to get past initial talks with congress regarding an infrastructure bill, the one policy promise of this administration that had robust bipartisan support. The Democrats were willing to help him and he still couldn’t get it done. 
 

How about that Iran nuclear deal? Yeah, we pulled out of an imperfect agreement. Has that spurred any meaningful progress with the Iranian government. Is America safer because of it or has the region become even more unstable? Hint: it’s not the former. 
 

While we’re on the subject of foreign policy does anyone know what Trump got for spending the first year of his presidency fondling Kim Jong Un’s balls? Doesn’t seem like much has changed in Lil’ Kim’s people’s paradise. 
 

So let’s talk about something that’s one of Donnie’s strengths: The economy. It’s true that Wall Street seemed to love the man and his get out of the way policies. In fact, my own 401k swelled as a result of his economic policies. But, prosperity under Trump came in large part due to a tax cut that was extremely generous to big business, but is set to expire on average Joe’s like you and me. The real elephant in the room for those who would call themselves conservatives is that Trump is nothing of the sort when it comes to economic policy. So, at best he gets mixed reviews in this area. 
 

In fact, the only promise I can think of that the man unequivocally upheld was the promise to stack the Supreme Court with conservatives. I have to admit, the Republicans have played masterful politics here, basically stealing a nomination from the outgoing administration and putting a candidate in the White House with timing that got them another nomination and likely one more if they can hold the executive. If you’re a Republican, this is legitimate means to celebrate. But let’s face it: Any Republican candidate would have done just fine here. A Rubio, a Cruz, or a Bush would have absolutely put acceptable justices on the court. 


I fully expect a flurry of excuses from his supporters. Some may even have some validity buried in them somewhere. But one of his signature campaign phrases was “I alone can fix it”.  He hasn’t.

And all of this incompetence doesn’t even take into account the administration’s pathetic response to Covid-19, which I believe is a dead horse that I’ve already beaten in these forums. So if the ends justify the means for you; if another Supreme Court justice is worth the civil unrest, the decline of science and reason in our country, the abysmal global reputation we are fermenting, the further destabilization of troubled regions around the world, the jaded and cynical worldview one must accept to come to the conclusion that a man with no morals should be the leader of the free world.....if all of those things are worth it to you, then by all means vote to re-elect Donald Trump President of the United States for four more years. 

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