17D_guy Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 It has been mighty quiet on here after Helsinki and the FISA release. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawman Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 36 minutes ago, 17D_guy said: It has been mighty quiet on here after Helsinki and the FISA release. And what? we need to defend politicians playing decades old political games, or the sitting president saying stuff that can be turned into a 13 second sound bite to bitch about? How about this, the second one of the presidents screaming autism angry critics critical of all things he does comes on here to defend moving 2/3 of our standing military forces off of Europe by the previous admin and how that has not weakened NATO more severely than any tweet or public down dressing by a Trump of our allies, we can talk about the ridiculousness of the Helsinki press conference. You know the one where the media was asking questions they’d never dream of asking a more flexible president in order to do the press corps equivalent of a bunch of third graders screaming “fight fight fight!” While they try and stir up two kids to throw punches at each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tk1313 Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 (edited) 9 hours ago, Vertigo said: The central point of the memo was that the FBI didn't tell the FISA court about Steele's political motives, when in fact the footnote disclosing Steele’s possible bias takes up more than a full page in the applications, so there is literally no way the FISA Court could have missed it. More than a full page out of 412 pages... "Steele's possible bias"... Yeah, no intent to mislead there... But I actually don't know and don't plan on reading it. Carter Page seems like a worm, but it's not illegal to have a strange love obsession with Putin (well Maybe in Russia if you're a dude). That's what separates us from actual fascists... Charge him with a crime or stop violating his right to privacy... I'm gonna go ahead and predict that he comes out as Putin's gay lover. At least then I can watch all my lib friends tear themselves in half trying to decide whether they want to (1) support him for coming out or (2) burn him for being pro-Putin. It'll be like Comey 2.0 Edited July 24, 2018 by tk1313 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SurelySerious Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 1 hour ago, 17D_guy said: It has been mighty quiet on here after Helsinki and the FISA release. Sorry, too busy taking these reactions to Helsinki seriously to discuss. I think he isn’t very sophisticated, says things without thinking strategically, and is a megalomaniac...but the talking heads and their social media followings are worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vertigo Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 8 hours ago, tk1313 said: More than a full page out of 412 pages... "Steele's possible bias"... Yeah, no intent to mislead there... But I actually don't know and don't plan on reading it. Meaning there was 411 other pages of evidence justifying the need for a FISA warrant. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MooseAg03 Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 Honestly I’m sick of all of the bullshit so I don’t even watch the news anymore, even though you can’t really call it news (no matter what channel you’re watching).I don’t trust the government, and I can’t wait until I don’t work for them anymore. I’m sick of the ineptitude at all levels and I hate having to fight every support agency just to do my job on a daily basis. It’s no wonder everything is so dysfunctional in the military and elsewhere in the government. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawman Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 Honestly I’m sick of all of the bullshit so I don’t even watch the news anymore, even though you can’t really call it news (no matter what channel you’re watching).I don’t trust the government, and I can’t wait until I don’t work for them anymore. I’m sick of the ineptitude at all levels and I hate having to fight every support agency just to do my job on a daily basis. It’s no wonder everything is so dysfunctional in the military and elsewhere in the government.The only saving grace we have is that as crappy as ours is everybody else around the world is even worse.Same with the military. We aren’t that good at War, everybody else is just F’ing terrible at it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brickhistory Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 "Wait until after the election and I'll, ha ha, have more room to maneuver." "The 1980s called, they want their foreign policy back." "Using chemical weapons would be a redline for me." Reset. Administration in office with awareness of Russian shenanigans? Deliberate set up of homemade server complete with multiple examples of classified on it. 50,000 texts degenerating only one candidate by the same investigator responsible for looking at both major candidates. Or Confirmed Supreme Court Justice. About to be two. Most district and circuit court justices confirmed to date. Economy doing well. Out of unratified treaties with Iran and climate change scammers. One clown show of a press conference. Everything is reported as "this will be his end." And yet Hillary is the one in a housecoat extolling the virtues of illegal immigrants. Ask yourself "Why?" 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pawnman Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 5 hours ago, Lawman said: The only saving grace we have is that as crappy as ours is everybody else around the world is even worse. Same with the military. We aren’t that good at War, everybody else is just F’ing terrible at it. Luckily, war is a competitive sport. You only need to be better than your opponent. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MooseAg03 Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 Except after 17 years it appears our enemy is still winning... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dream big Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 3 hours ago, MooseAg03 said: Except after 17 years it appears our enemy is still winning... They live in caves and operate like it’s the Stone Age, I wouldn’t say they are winning. Now why the f are we still in Afghanistan? Excellent question! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waveshaper Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 8 hours ago, dream big said: They live in caves and operate like it’s the Stone Age, I wouldn’t say they are winning. Now why the f are we still in Afghanistan? Excellent question! IMHO, there's one winning strategy that we've mastered over the last 17 years in places like the Quagmire of Empires, Iraq, etc; See "Pyrrhic Victory" for more details. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyrrhic_victory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tac airlifter Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 9 hours ago, dream big said: They live in caves and operate like it’s the Stone Age, I wouldn’t say they are winning. Now why the f are we still in Afghanistan? Excellent question! Some of our enemies live in caves, some live in upscale residences. They would definitely say they are winning. I don’t disagree. Regarding the thread topic... what am I supposed to be worried about regarding Helsinki or the FISA papers release? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brickhistory Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 No breathless, dominant the news cycle, CNN/NBC/WaPo/NYT, porn star lawyer trumpeting "This will bring him down?" Gross domestic product grew at a solid 4.1 percent pace in the second quarter, its best pace since 2014, boosting hopes that the economy is ready to break out of its decade-long slumber. https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/27/us-gdp-q2-2018.html 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SurelySerious Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 On 7/23/2018 at 1:46 PM, Vertigo said: You're going to get crickets because it shows the Republican released memo was a fabrication. The central point of the memo was that the FBI didn't tell the FISA court about Steele's political motives, when in fact the footnote disclosing Steele’s possible bias takes up more than a full page in the applications, so there is literally no way the FISA Court could have missed it. When Rubio backs the FISA warrant, then it's abundantly clear Nunez is full of shit and was just trying to disrupt the investigation. Or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drewpey Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 4 hours ago, SurelySerious said: Or not. "he has labored to unearth the truth" She can't even get two sentences in without losing credibility. When the facts on the news are too uncomfortable to read, stick to opinion columns to reaffirm your feelings. It's not news, that's just entertainment. When you've got proof of any actual wrongdoing...legally or ethically let me know. Until then every talking point used by the right to try and show wrongdoing in their investigation into the Trump campaign has ended up being lies that quickly unravel once the facts come to light. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SurelySerious Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 22 minutes ago, drewpey said: She can't even get two sentences in without losing credibility. When the facts on the news are too uncomfortable to read, stick to opinion columns to reaffirm your feelings. It's not news, that's just entertainment. When you've got proof of any actual wrongdoing...legally or ethically let me know. Until then every talking point used by the right to try and show wrongdoing in their investigation into the Trump campaign has ended up being lies that quickly unravel once the facts come to light. How have your news sources verified these “facts” you speak of? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brickhistory Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 Investigations against one side are simply partisan witch hunts. Investigations against the other side are in pursuit of truth, justice, and the American way. Unless, of course, it's the exact same investigator conducting both investigations. Then it gets a little tricky... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drewpey Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 On 7/28/2018 at 3:02 PM, SurelySerious said: How have your news sources verified these “facts” you speak of? A variety of ways. Many of the facts that have come out over the past year or so have been stunning first-hand admissions. See DJT's emails he posted to Twitter. You can try and discredit the news sources all you want, but generally any reputable news source will be reporting the facts. It's the bias you need to sort through that is layered on top of the facts. The right has a hard time separating the two, and think just because a source is biased, they can ignore the facts. Opinion articles are 95% feels, and 5% reals. Your article for example fawns over Nunes yet he completely bungled everything he has touched, and ended his investigation early, in contrast to the SIC who found the opposite. Nunes is an interesting character and I'd be surprised if he comes out of this clean. His actions are not that of an innocent man. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawman Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 49 minutes ago, drewpey said: A variety of ways. Many of the facts that have come out over the past year or so have been stunning first-hand admissions. See DJT's emails he posted to Twitter. You can try and discredit the news sources all you want, but generally any reputable news source will be reporting the facts. It's the bias you need to sort through that is layered on top of the facts. The right has a hard time separating the two, and think just because a source is biased, they can ignore the facts. Opinion articles are 95% feels, and 5% reals. Your article for example fawns over Nunes yet he completely bungled everything he has touched, and ended his investigation early, in contrast to the SIC who found the opposite. Nunes is an interesting character and I'd be surprised if he comes out of this clean. His actions are not that of an innocent man. You wanna take a wild swing at how many times while deployed and receiving the orders and guidance directly from the top I had to watch CNN and other “investigative journalism” complete hack their way through to a different reality of what was going on so as to avoid giving any kind of credit to the Trump administration? even now there are no shortage of “he was just doing what Obama already laid out” reports that are complete and utter bullshit. So yeah dont sit here and pretend that the media doesn’t have a slant (all of it not just the big ones slanted against Trump) and will find whatever source and distort whatever facts they need to build a narrative that stirs up the crowd and clicks/advertisement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SurelySerious Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 57 minutes ago, drewpey said: A variety of ways. Many of the facts that have come out over the past year or so have been stunning first-hand admissions. See DJT's emails he posted to Twitter. You can try and discredit the news sources all you want, but generally any reputable news source will be reporting the facts. It's the bias you need to sort through that is layered on top of the facts. The right has a hard time separating the two, and think just because a source is biased, they can ignore the facts. Opinion articles are 95% feels, and 5% reals. Your article for example fawns over Nunes yet he completely bungled everything he has touched, and ended his investigation early, in contrast to the SIC who found the opposite. Nunes is an interesting character and I'd be surprised if he comes out of this clean. His actions are not that of an innocent man. That article is an interview with Nunes, you know, a first-hand admission. CNN, Fox News, they're not reputable news sources anymore. They publish/broadcast fervent speculation most likely to encourage their own fanbases with no attempt to practice journalism. If you turn down your CNN volume, you might be able to tell. I don't care for DJT particularly, but unlike you I don't have the blue koolaid lens of being a Democratic fanboy after that party has gone off the deep end. Since you didn't read past the first sentence, it actually hits several layers deeper than anything you've been hearing from Ted Turner's echo chamber: His assertion that the flip makes no sense goes right in line with the work from Frontline that Putin was just out to stick it to Hillary. https://player.pbs.org/viralplayer/3006005244 https://player.pbs.org/viralplayer/3006249956 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brickhistory Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 15 hours ago, drewpey said: The right has a hard time separating the two, and think just because a source is biased, they can ignore the facts. Why, they're almost...deplorable... Or there's this: https://www.businessinsider.com/dnc-tom-perez-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-democratic-socialist-future-2018-7 The Democratic National Committee chair, Tom Perez, on Tuesday wholeheartedly embraced Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez , the 28-year-old progressive insurgent who stunned the political world last week when she unseated a 10-term incumbent New York Democrat, calling the democratic socialist "the future of our party." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azimuth Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 On 7/25/2018 at 6:00 AM, tac airlifter said: Some of our enemies live in caves, some live in upscale residences. They would definitely say they are winning. I don’t disagree. Regarding the thread topic... what am I supposed to be worried about regarding Helsinki or the FISA papers release? https://content.production.cdn.art19.com/episodes/5e74d2c4-3798-4ca1-9d33-01bbdc57e259/9736381f7127aa7a2c7ffa825ec90eceb658b1f96d9410dadc26338aa819ae3d394a230590473305f6df78bca0426818291f5d941cd21ab676e255bdc7c8edde/18_0726_JeremyBash_EPv1.mp3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drewpey Posted August 1, 2018 Share Posted August 1, 2018 On 7/30/2018 at 10:11 PM, Lawman said: So yeah dont sit here and pretend that the media doesn’t have a slant (all of it not just the big ones slanted against Trump) and will find whatever source and distort whatever facts they need to build a narrative that stirs up the crowd and clicks/advertisement. That's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is any reputable news source is going to use the base facts, and layer their bias on top of it. Just because you don't like the bias, doesn't mean the facts are wrong. Facts may be absent or misleading, but that's why it's important to diversify your news diet to ensure you see the same problem from multiple angles. When you completely discount all news from half the political spectrum then your diet is lopsided, and you are now living in an echo chamber. Now taking it a step further, not only is the news from half the political spectrum disregarded as "fake news", it's being declared the enemy of the people, and even scarier roughly 30% of the populace believes it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drewpey Posted August 1, 2018 Share Posted August 1, 2018 23 hours ago, brickhistory said: Why, they're almost...deplorable... Or there's this: https://www.businessinsider.com/dnc-tom-perez-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-democratic-socialist-future-2018-7 The Democratic National Committee chair, Tom Perez, on Tuesday wholeheartedly embraced Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez , the 28-year-old progressive insurgent who stunned the political world last week when she unseated a 10-term incumbent New York Democrat, calling the democratic socialist "the future of our party." If the right didn't like Obama, wait until you see what happens over the next several years. He has and always will be seen as a very centrist political figure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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