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On ‎9‎/‎29‎/‎2017 at 2:16 PM, Smokin said:

You can see how many really care about making a political statement when the Cowboys threatened to fire anyone who knelt.  All stood.  Either everyone on that team feels very different than the rest of the NFL, or the NFL players in general really don't believe in whatever it is they're 'protesting'.

Funny that you believed that internet hoax.

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http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/10/08/vice-president-mike-pence-leaves-colts-49ers-game-after-players-reportedly-kneel.html

"I left today's Colts game because President Trump and I will not dignify any event that disrespects our soldiers, our Flag, or our National Anthem. At a time when so many Americans are inspiring our nation with their courage, resolve, and resilience, now, more than ever, we should rally around our Flag and everything that unites us." "While everyone is entitled to their own opinions, I don't think it's too much to ask NFL players to respect the Flag and our National Anthem," he continued. "I stand with President Trump, I stand with our soldiers, and I will always stand for our Flag and National Anthem." 

I wish I had seen this real time, but the NFL already lost me and I was at the pool getting a workout in instead of watching the games.

It would be nice to see 30K walk out at these games, someday...maybe.

ATIS

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Maybe, maybe not, but it reinforced what a lot of right leaning voters believed, which I think was the purpose.  

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47 minutes ago, ThreeHoler said:

He may have walked out but the ticket was still paid for...think the NFL cares?

Was it?  Most of these are comped tix. I would be surprised if anyone paid for them. They were on a suite, not in the stands. At least the local pro teams here provide plenty of comps. 

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I don’t understand how people don’t understand protesting “white police brutality” during a moment of silence for a slain police officer is inappropriate...

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On 10/9/2017 at 2:16 AM, tac airlifter said:

This is a hoax?

I’m slow to the discussion here, so im seriously asking.

Your comment was made on 9/29 - when at the time Jerry Jones had made no statement and was debunked as a hoax. It wasn't until October 9th that he had came out and said players would "sit". Also notice you said fired... which is what the hoax said. He never said anything like that, and in fact I believe he lead his team in a kneel down to show solidarity with those who had been protesting.

So on 9/29- when you made your comment- there was a hoax saying Jerry Jones was going to fire those who knelt. He then lead his team in kneeling (reference your own article) and remarked he never said such a thing. It wasn't until VP Pence left the game that he came out with a policy that those who knelt would sit during the game.

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3 hours ago, Vertigo said:

Your comment was made on 9/29 - when at the time Jerry Jones had made no statement and was debunked as a hoax. It wasn't until October 9th that he had came out and said players would "sit". Also notice you said fired... which is what the hoax said. He never said anything like that, and in fact I believe he lead his team in a kneel down to show solidarity with those who had been protesting.

So on 9/29- when you made your comment- there was a hoax saying Jerry Jones was going to fire those who knelt. He then lead his team in kneeling (reference your own article) and remarked he never said such a thing. It wasn't until VP Pence left the game that he came out with a policy that those who knelt would sit during the game.

What comment did I make on 9/29?

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On ‎10‎/‎16‎/‎2017 at 6:26 PM, tac airlifter said:

What comment did I make on 9/29?

Sorry it was Smokin that made the comment on 9/29, not you.

 

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On October 12, 2016 at 9:01 PM, Mark1 said:

And the ratings sure as hell aren't down because of anything to do with players making fools of themselves while "disrespecting" the National Anthem.

You were saying?

http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2018/05/23/nfl-adopts-policy-to-fine-teams-if-players-and-personnel-dont-stand-for-national-anthem.html

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2 hours ago, HeloDude said:

I believe it was something along the lines of "And the ratings sure as hell aren't down because of anything to do with players making fools of themselves while 'disrespecting' the National Anthem"...but I could be wrong.

What does your link have to do with ratings, again?  I read the story and didn't see any mention of it, so then I searched the page for the term "rating" just in case you were referencing something in the toxic wasteland that is the comments section.  That returned nothing.  Very confusing.

But I'll go ahead and admit that you certainly nailed me with that one.  Well done.

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9 hours ago, Mark1 said:

I believe it was something along the lines of "And the ratings sure as hell aren't down because of anything to do with players making fools of themselves while 'disrespecting' the National Anthem"...but I could be wrong.

What does your link have to do with ratings, again?  I read the story and didn't see any mention of it, so then I searched the page for the term "rating" just in case you were referencing something in the toxic wasteland that is the comments section.  That returned nothing.  Very confusing.

But I'll go ahead and admit that you certainly nailed me with that one.  Well done.

So you honestly believe that the recent rule change has nothing do with decreased viewership?

Because the NFL doesn't make decisions based off money...and ratings don't equate to money.  

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15 hours ago, Mark1 said:

What does your link have to do with ratings, again? 

Mark1,

Goddell is motivated by profit.  

For him to make such a controversial decision against so many players would imply that the NFL's data shows a downturn.  It might be pre-season sales are way down; merchandising is plummeting; etc...

I'm no NFL business analyst, and my logic is probably flawed.  Why do you believe the NFL has done this?

 

Oh... and let the NFL fine the teams all they want.  It means nothing, since the measly fines can be made up by adding $.069 to the price of every ticket.  

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10 hours ago, HeloDude said:

So you honestly believe that the recent rule change has nothing do with decreased viewership?

Because the NFL doesn't make decisions based off money...and ratings don't equate to money.  

If you want to assert a cause-effect relationship you're going to have to explain why the marked decline in NFL viewership began in 2015, before any of this nonsense, and why there was no statistically significant change to the rate of decline surrounding the referenced anthem displays.  Clairvoyant fans who saw it coming 2 years ahead of time?

I started to turn this into a 2-page response with charts and numbers and shit, but it's just not worth my time.  When you can show a meaningful relationship between the two with p-values and confidence intervals, let me know.  Until then I'm going to draw obvious conclusions from actual data as opposed to an ardent campaign on the part of Fox News to spark outrage, thus driving their ratings and ad revenue up, by shoehorning a tired narrative onto a target of opportunity under the guise of "news".

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1 hour ago, Mark1 said:

When you can show a meaningful relationship between the two with p-values and confidence intervals, let me know.  

The what?

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2 hours ago, Mark1 said:

If you want to assert a cause-effect relationship you're going to have to explain why the marked decline in NFL viewership began in 2015, before any of this nonsense, and why there was no statistically significant change to the rate of decline surrounding the referenced anthem displays.  Clairvoyant fans who saw it coming 2 years ahead of time?

I started to turn this into a 2-page response with charts and numbers and shit, but it's just not worth my time.  When you can show a meaningful relationship between the two with p-values and confidence intervals, let me know.  Until then I'm going to draw obvious conclusions from actual data as opposed to an ardent campaign on the part of Fox News to spark outrage, thus driving their ratings and ad revenue up, by shoehorning a tired narrative onto a target of opportunity under the guise of "news".

Yeah...why would the NFL ever make profit-driven decisions.  That's just stupid...because Fox News, or something.

Oh, and according to link below 2015 was the highest viewership on record.  So why did you say the decline began in 2015?

http://www.businessinsider.com/nfl-ratings-faced-steeper-declines-in-2017-2018-1

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1 hour ago, HeloDude said:

Yeah...why would the NFL ever make profit-driven decisions.  That's just stupid...because Fox News, or something.

Oh, and according to link below 2015 was the highest viewership on record.  So why did you say the decline began in 2015?

http://www.businessinsider.com/nfl-ratings-faced-steeper-declines-in-2017-2018-1

You know what happens after something peaks, literally by definition?  It declines.  That's why I said the decline started in 2015, which you can see if you look at year over year viewership numbers by week rather than an entire season.  Regardless, if you use the seasonal numbers they still indicate the decline began with the 2016 season.  Interesting that you glossed over that in order to point out where I'm wrong because it doesn't fit into your story.

IF there's no movement on widespread state sanctioned gambling on NFL games in the next 4 months then we'll be able to test your theory.  Ratings will be back at historical highs for the 2018 season as all the people who abandoned the games over Anthem protests (including the clairvoyant ones who stopped watching 2 years early) return in droves to the game they love so dearly, but sacrificed on principle. 

Either that, or it will become clear that the declines in NFL viewership are predominantly explained by the same forces that have caused a general decline in viewership across all major sports (don't bother pointing to outliers; it doesn't change this fact).

My gut tells me that even if the gambling variable is developed before the 2018 season, it won't overcome the downward pressure.  However on that issue, and that issue alone, I'm guessing and could be wrong.

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