Azimuth Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 Corrosion is going to take out the BUFF, much like it’s taking out the KC-135. You can dump all the money into newer avionics, engines, etc, but you’ll never beat time with regard to airframe age. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SurelySerious Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 31 minutes ago, Azimuth said: Corrosion is going to take out the BUFF, much like it’s taking out the KC-135. You can dump all the money into newer avionics, engines, etc, but you’ll never beat time with regard to airframe age. /s of course Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LookieRookie Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 4 hours ago, Azimuth said: Corrosion is going to take out the BUFF, much like it’s taking out the KC-135. You can dump all the money into newer avionics, engines, etc, but you’ll never beat time with regard to airframe age. Ship of Theseus with SLEP 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperWSO Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 (edited) 4 hours ago, LookieRookie said: Ship of Theseus with SLEP Ok, I’ll admit I had to look that one up. For those that don’t go to Wikipedia... Theseus's paradox, is a thought experiment that raises the question of whether an object that has had all of its components replaced remains fundamentally ugly. If you need a stand-off platform, just stop the weird skin and materials MX on the B-2. The RCS will still be better than the other bombers, it’s nuke capable, gets good gas mileage and is younger than some of the people who work on it. Edited February 22, 2018 by SuperWSO 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
08Dawg Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 As much as I love the Buff...I can't believe at some point we did not opt for relatively off the shelf modded out 757 or something similiar to be a cruise missile truck. The Navy kinda-sorta did it with turning a 737 into a P-8. Why not us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThreeHoler Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 As much as I love the Buff...I can't believe at some point we did not opt for relatively off the shelf modded out 757 or something similiar to be a cruise missile truck. The Navy kinda-sorta did it with turning a 737 into a P-8. Why not us?The Ghost of Curtis LeMay. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodor Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 (edited) Wasnt there a program in the 70s or 80s that had the 747 basically being a cruise missile dump truck? With a good launch system I wonder how many missiles a 747-8 can carry? Probably between a ton and shitload. Edit: Cant say the word Duck Edited February 22, 2018 by Hodor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azimuth Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 5 hours ago, 08Dawg said: As much as I love the Buff...I can't believe at some point we did not opt for relatively off the shelf modded out 757 or something similiar to be a cruise missile truck. The Navy kinda-sorta did it with turning a 737 into a P-8. Why not us? Wouldn’t you be unemployed then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Learjetter Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 (edited) 6 hours ago, ThreeHoler said: The Ghost of Curtis LeMay. Quoted for truth. From what I heard people say in certain STRATCOM/bomber command meetings I would've sworn there were times He had a seat at the table. Survivability = standoff > speed > stealth The price of admission to A2AD requires all of the above + (s) x (c)2 B-21 will be a formidable part of that equation...as will the BUFF that picks up the last B-21 crew after dropping off the last B-21 at AMARG. Edited February 22, 2018 by Learjetter Edit for verbiage 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prosuper Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 10 hours ago, 08Dawg said: As much as I love the Buff...I can't believe at some point we did not opt for relatively off the shelf modded out 757 or something similiar to be a cruise missile truck. The Navy kinda-sorta did it with turning a 737 into a P-8. Why not us? Not the first time that was thought of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prosuper Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 On 2/21/2018 at 1:10 PM, Azimuth said: Corrosion is going to take out the BUFF, much like it’s taking out the KC-135. You can dump all the money into newer avionics, engines, etc, but you’ll never beat time with regard to airframe age. That's why God invented the CNC machine. I don't think there is much original sheetmetal or castings on a KC-135. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clark Griswold Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 As much as I love the Buff...I can't believe at some point we did not opt for relatively off the shelf modded out 757 or something similiar to be a cruise missile truck. The Navy kinda-sorta did it with turning a 737 into a P-8. Why not us?Too smart not complicated enough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperWSO Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 News update: B-21 is going to involve “complex trade-offs”. None of this is surprising until you figure out they are building what the article says is a 2 engine jet with less thrust, range and payload. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SurelySerious Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 30 minutes ago, SuperWSO said: News update: B-21 is going to involve “complex trade-offs”. None of this is surprising until you figure out they are building what the article says is a 2 engine jet with less thrust, range and payload. Inlet sizing is a big deal; that’s where Ben Rich initially made his money with Kelly Johnson on the U-2. But #notsurprised NG made a design/cost claim in bidding they hadn’t thought through and can’t back up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATIS Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 13 hours ago, SurelySerious said: But #notsurprised [insert company name here] made a design/cost claim in bidding they hadn’t thought through and can’t back up. SOP in the acquisition world. Get your foot in the door and watch cost/schedule grow while performance goes down. ATIS 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawman Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 News update: B-21 is going to involve “complex trade-offs”. None of this is surprising until you figure out they are building what the article says is a 2 engine jet with less thrust, range and payload. So... 5th gen F-111F then? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperWSO Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 11 minutes ago, Lawman said: So... 5th gen F-111F then? Yes, but subsonic, internal carriage only, so less capable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawman Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 Yes, but subsonic, internal carriage only, so less capable. Go home Air Force... you’re drunk. We shouldn’t really be surprised in the same military that thought the H-60 series of helicopter could replace and perform jobs done by significantly larger helicopters (SH-3, MH53, etc) and not lose anything in capability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clark Griswold Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 So... 5th gen F-111F then?Or a longer legged FB-22... if this is going to be twin engines and lower range go ahead and make an LO KC-21 with probe and drogue or an MQ-25 Stingray AR wingman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThreeHoler Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 Yes, but subsonic, internal carriage only, so less capable. For all those times the external hard points were used on the B-1 (excluding the pod)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperWSO Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 5 hours ago, ThreeHoler said: For all those times the external hard points were used on the B-1 (excluding the pod)? Comparison was to the F-111. If it can carry 24x JASSM or JDAM internally, I’ll withdraw that statement. If it is a 2 engine jet, it will probably carry less than the F-111. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThreeHoler Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 Oops. Reading fail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laxboarderchill Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 On a related topic, has anyone heard back about this year's B-2 cross-flow results. I applied back in December and haven't heard anything since. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clark Griswold Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 Aussie B-21s? https://www.forbes.com/sites/lorenthompson/2019/11/15/should-washington-sell-the-b-21-bomber-to-australia/#1a603c6134b0 https://www.aspistrategist.org.au/is-the-b-21-bomber-a-viable-option-for-australia/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco_Nav963 Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 26 minutes ago, Clark Griswold said: Aussie B-21s? https://www.forbes.com/sites/lorenthompson/2019/11/15/should-washington-sell-the-b-21-bomber-to-australia/#1a603c6134b0 https://www.aspistrategist.org.au/is-the-b-21-bomber-a-viable-option-for-australia/ First question from skimming the article: Why did Australia have a beef with the Indonesians? 😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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