matmacwc Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 Anyone in Turkey? http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/07/15/attempted-military-coup-underway-in-turkey.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LookieRookie Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 Reports on reddit that internet has been cut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LookieRookie Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 "ALL social networks and allegedly blocked sites are ACCESSIBLE through the Google DNS servers (8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4)." Others are recommending if you're in Turkey to set up a VPN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clark Griswold Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 (edited) Reports of Erdogan refused landing rights - plane diverted out of country http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2016/07/15/erdogan-seeks-asylum-in-germany-report.html?via=desktop&source=copyurl Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Edited July 15, 2016 by Clark Griswold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LookieRookie Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 Another report that Germany denied landing as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clark Griswold Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 From Wikipedia so take with some salt but seems reasonable on what aircraft Erdogan could be on, how long he could stay airborne, how far he could get if anyone offered him asylum... The government of Turkey has a VIP fleet which is managed by Turkish Airlines on behalf of the President of the Republic and Prime Minister. The fleet primarily consists of an Airbus A319 CJ(TC-ANA) and a highly modified and armed (Air Defense missiles) Airbus A330-200 PRESTIGE (TC-TUR). The fleet additionally contains 2 G550, 2 GIV and 2 Cessna Citation V. When the President of the Turkish Republic of any aircraft the call-sign is "Turkish Republic One- Heavy". If not Germany then another NATO country I guess would be his best spot to land. Just saw he landed in Iran - wants to go to Qatar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandatory Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 (edited) This is another one of those situations that is extremely frustrating to watch in the news. The Turkish military sees itself as the protector of secular government and secular institutions. Not that disorder and death on the streets is a good thing, but coups in the past in Turkey have restored that secular balance. Just another situation where the news gets the basics wrong. This coup may not succeed, and it may not save Turkey from an Islamist bent like it has in the past, but they can't even provide some historical perspective. I guess I'm not really that surprised. Hope our people stay safe. Edit: Not saying the coup is right, or that this is one of the coup d'tats as seen in the past, just frustration with poor reporting. Edited July 16, 2016 by Mandatory 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clark Griswold Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 CNN says Turkish F-16 just shot down a helicopter commandeered by coup plotters, not everyone is on board with the change in management... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WAG Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 (edited) Crazy Edited July 16, 2016 by WAG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clark Griswold Posted July 17, 2016 Share Posted July 17, 2016 Purging the Turkish Military is beginning with a degrading treatment on the way http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/turkey-coup-disturbing-picture-shows-8437742 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Learjetter Posted July 17, 2016 Share Posted July 17, 2016 "You win or you die" ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herk Driver Posted July 17, 2016 Share Posted July 17, 2016 "You win or you die" ? Some of the conventional wisdom out there is that Erdogan staged this "coup" in order to consolidate power and purge the military and judiciary. In the modern era, under constitutional mandate given it from Ataturk, the Turkish military has executed multiple coups when the government moved away from its secular roots. In those, the military held the PM, took over media and was successful. None of that happened here. Time will tell. This was either a wag the dog moment or a vast departure from previous successful military coups. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clark Griswold Posted July 17, 2016 Share Posted July 17, 2016 (edited) 29 minutes ago, Herk Driver said: Some of the conventional wisdom out there is that Erdogan staged this "coup" in order to consolidate power and purge the military and judiciary. In the modern era, under constitutional mandate given it from Ataturk, the Turkish military has executed multiple coups when the government moved away from its secular roots. In those, the military held the PM, took over media and was successful. None of that happened here. Time will tell. This was either a wag the dog moment or a vast departure from previous successful military coups. Yup - my tin foil hat is on as this does not seem unreasonable given the historical track record of successful vs unsuccessful coups http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3693729/Did-Erdogan-STAGE-coup-based-Turkish-cleric-facing-extradition-botched-rebellion-claims-president-orchestrated-plot-justify-clampdown-civil-rights.html I hope all is well for our folks at Incirlik; shit is getting very real, they arrested the Turkish Wing Commander there: http://www.wsj.com/articles/turkey-arrests-incirlik-air-base-commander-1468760920 Turkey is important but as long as Erdogan and his cronies are in power and slowly changing it to a quasi Islamic authoritarian state, we should greatly cool our support and engagement with him. Having Turkey solidly in our camp is great for the geography, airspace and logistics to deal with the various crises out of the ME but given Erdogan, it may be something the West will have to do without. Edited July 17, 2016 by Clark Griswold grammar fixes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prosuper Posted July 17, 2016 Share Posted July 17, 2016 Incirlik was my second home in the 90's, I wonder if the Turks will make a play and confiscate our equipment there. Just getting parts to fix aircraft and dealing with Turkish customs takes days. They have a nasty habit of when you turn in a vehicle to the motor pool for inspection they condemn it , repaint it, then put Turkish AF reg numbers on it. Had to endure 2 strikes by the on base Turkish workers which closed down all base services. I imagine they are going through that now. I hope Erdogon remembers the majority of his Air Force has to have USAF logistics to keep flying. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prosuper Posted July 17, 2016 Share Posted July 17, 2016 Thinking long term here, if we lose Incirlik our next move is to fully support the Peshmerga Kurds militarily and economically. The only reason this has not happened is because we want to keep using Incirlik. I also think that is the least of Erdogon worries is us or the Kurds. Putin will not be happy having his Black Sea fleet and oil tankers not being able to use the Bosphorus Strait. The next question after that, does NATO honor it's treaty obligations if Turkey and Russia lock horns. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matmacwc Posted July 17, 2016 Author Share Posted July 17, 2016 4 hours ago, Herk Driver said: Some of the conventional wisdom out there is that Erdogan staged this "coup" in order to consolidate power and purge the military and judiciary. In the modern era, under constitutional mandate given it from Ataturk, the Turkish military has executed multiple coups when the government moved away from its secular roots. In those, the military held the PM, took over media and was successful. None of that happened here. Time will tell. This was either a wag the dog moment or a vast departure from previous successful military coups. Chavez did it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawman Posted July 17, 2016 Share Posted July 17, 2016 Thinking long term here, if we lose Incirlik our next move is to fully support the Peshmerga Kurds militarily and economically. The only reason this has not happened is because we want to keep using Incirlik. I also think that is the least of Erdogon worries is us or the Kurds. Putin will not be happy having his Black Sea fleet and oil tankers not being able to use the Bosphorus Strait. The next question after that, does NATO honor it's treaty obligations if Turkey and Russia lock horns. If we walk away from Article 5 than NATO is unofficially over. Better we kick Turkey out of NATO preemptive to them dragging us into the shit storm rather than avoid keeping our word. Seriously the only thing keeping Russia from pulling a Crimea out in Latvia, Estonia, etc is them wanting to avoid an actual shooting war where the possibility of escalation exists. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MD Posted July 17, 2016 Share Posted July 17, 2016 Our airstrikes against ISIS need to target the center of that group's local power base and provider of material support: Erdogan himself. And his cronies. Should've taken his jet down while they knew where it was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clark Griswold Posted July 18, 2016 Share Posted July 18, 2016 2 hours ago, Lawman said: If we walk away from Article 5 than NATO is unofficially over. Better we kick Turkey out of NATO preemptive to them dragging us into the shit storm rather than avoid keeping our word. This is a long time coming but Erdogan and company need to be shown the door: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/stanley-weiss/its-time-to-kick-erdogans_b_9300670.html Just to put a cherry on top of it after kicking their a$$ to the curb, cozy up to Greece... The shoot down of the Su-24 should have started the process (at least pushing the other members publicly for it) but as always, the Leader from Behind just let an opportunity pass. He's supporting ISIS, he's undemocratic, an Islamist, a thug and a loose cannon; other than that he's a great guy... http://www.newsweek.com/impossible-beat-isis-erdogan-power-442767 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clark Griswold Posted July 18, 2016 Share Posted July 18, 2016 14 hours ago, MD said: Should've taken his jet down while they knew where it was. Almost did: At height of Turkish coup bid, rebel jets had Erdogan's plane in their sights http://www.reuters.com/article/us-turkey-security-plot-insight-idUSKCN0ZX0Q9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waveshaper Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 On 7/18/2016 at 8:05 AM, Clark Griswold said: Almost did: At height of Turkish coup bid, rebel jets had Erdogan's plane in their sights http://www.reuters.com/article/us-turkey-security-plot-insight-idUSKCN0ZX0Q9 Hero one day and facing Impalement the next. Turkey arrests pilots who shot down Russian bomber; Excerpt; Two Turkish military pilots who shot down a Russian Su-24M bomber over Syria have been arrested in connection with the failed coup last week, the country's justice minister said Tuesday. The day after the coup attempt, the mayor of Ankara, Melin Gokcek, said on CNN Turk the pilots were involved in the uprising. Specifically, he said one of the pilots belonged to a secret "parallel state" organization allegedly headed by cleric Fethullah Gulen, who lives in self-exile in the United States. Gokcek told CNN Turk that "our relations with Russia have been spoiled by these villains." http://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2016/07/19/Turkey-arrests-pilots-who-shot-down-Russian-bomber-linked-to-failed-coup/6671468942405/?spt=sec&or=tn Fourteen Turkish warships are still unaccounted for, their commanders suspected to be among the plotters who sought to overthrow President Erdogan; Excerpt; The 14 missing ships were reportedly on active duty in either the Aegean or the Black Sea and have not tried to make contact with naval headquarters or report back to the port. The commander of the Turkish navy, Admiral Veysel Kosele, has not been heard from since Friday. Many suspect the warships may be heading to Greek ports. https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/rogue-turkish-warships-missing-since-coup/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clark Griswold Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 8 hours ago, waveshaper said: Hero one day and facing Impalement the next.. Fourteen Turkish warships are still unaccounted for, their commanders suspected to be among the plotters who sought to overthrow President Erdogan; Excerpt; The 14 missing ships were reportedly on active duty in either the Aegean or the Black Sea and have not tried to make contact with naval headquarters or report back to the port. The commander of the Turkish navy, Admiral Veysel Kosele, has not been heard from since Friday. Many suspect the warships may be heading to Greek ports. https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/rogue-turkish-warships-missing-since-coup/ Hadn't heard of this, just googled it and they are still unaccounted for, would have thought they would be in port by now. Kind of Hunt for Red October, assuming it is mainly the officers who were part or supporters of the coup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Clark Griswold Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 3 days and still on generators at Incirlik: http://www.stripes.com/news/incirlik-relying-on-generators-to-power-operations-1.419841 The question is starting to get asked is it a good idea to keep nuclear weapons in Turkey: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2016/07/19/an-old-nuclear-weapons-deal-raises-new-questions-about-u-s-bombs-in-turkey/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waveshaper Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 1 hour ago, Clark Griswold said: 3 days and still on generators at Incirlik: At least the Turks haven't cut our fuel supply "yet". Example; DLA-owned fuel stored throughout the Western/Eastern Turkish NATO Pipeline System (TNPS), Yumurtalik Pipeline, and 5 Turkish COCO facilities. These are 2006 quantities/fees charged; I'm sure they have changed since 2006. E.1.1. Storage. $1.12 U.S. dollars per barrel per year for 500,000 barrels (79.500 m3). E.1.2. Transportation. Transportation of up to 2,700,000 barrels (429,300 m3) of F34 annually from point of entry to delivery points specified in Annex D for the following costs: E.1.2.1. Into Incirlik Air Base by pipeline from Adana NATO—$0.36 U.S. dollars per barrel E.1.2.2. Into Tank Truck at the following locations: E.1.2.2.1. Adana COCO—$3.00 U.S. dollars per barrel E. 1.2.2.2. Elazig COCO—$5.01 U.S. dollars per barrel E.1.2.2.3. Diyarbakir—$5.38 U.S. dollars per barrel E.1.2.2.4. Batman—$7.12 U.S. dollars per barrel E.2. Antalya. In case the fuel is off-loaded at Antalya Sea Terminal, public transportation fee shall be charged separately. DESC shall be responsible for funding costs to transport F34 from Antalya to Mersin if MOD-ANT has no product in the Eastern TNPS to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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