ClearedHot Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 Could be in the Russia or Ukraine threads but worthy of separate discussion, the genie is out of the bottle, I hope you can fight without GPS. http://www.gpsdaily.com/reports/Satellite_Navigation_Failure_Confirms_Urgent_Need_for_Backup_999.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gravedigger Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 I agree that it's good to have backups, but a lot of this article seemed like a Locata sales pitch. The medium Earth orbit used for PNT satellites is great for being uncrowded, and the direct ascent ASAT threat isn't nearly has high or destructive in MEO. Additionally our new vehicles have safety of life signals on another band just for catastrophic events, because like the article mentioned, the world cannot function without GPS. A lot of people understand the value of the navigation signal, few realize that the timing signal is what basically the entire global economy depends on. Banks, cell towers, SATCOM satellites etc. all run off of the GPS timing signal. Uplink jamming is an option, but that takes a lot of power, and that amount of power can be easily located. Downlink jamming happens all the time. There's not a whole lot the average civilian user can do about that. The space environment threat isn't nearly as bad as the article portrays it to be. It's much more of a concern to LEO satellites. The real threat to all space systems these days is the cyber threat. Even still, it is incredibly unlikely that any organization/nation could affect the constellation to the degree that would cause operational failure. Posted from the NEW Baseops.net App! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Day Man Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HU&W Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 This goes here. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperWSO Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 THIS explains all those Russians in Ukraine. Their SATNAV was broken. "Re-calculating..." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snoopyeast Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 THIS explains all those Russians in Ukraine. Their SATNAV was broken. "Re-calculating..." Da, GLONASS is on the fritz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17D_guy Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 The real threat to all space systems these days is the cyber threat. Even still, it is incredibly unlikely that any organization/nation could affect the constellation to the degree that would cause operational failure. So you're saying it should be AF Cyber command... with some Space as a NAF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gravedigger Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 No, absolutely not. If DoD had money, space and cyber should both be independent services. The Army and Navy want this to happen already, because they feel the Air Force doesn't use resources effectively. They have been trying to take more of the space game for a while now, and they are both spending a bunch of money creating a space cadre to meet the needs of their services. The same is true to some extent with cyber. Since we don't have money, space and cyber should be separate MAJCOMs. There is a time in the distant future when I could see the US having a space force, a cyber force, a conventional terrestrial force, and a special operations/clandestine terrestrial force. Posted from the NEW Baseops.net App! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HU&W Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 There is a time in the distant future when I could see the US having a space force, a cyber force, a conventional terrestrial force, and a special operations/clandestine terrestrial force. If the Army gets this one going, we could call them the "Starship Troopers". I like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gravedigger Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 (edited) If the Army gets this one going, we could call them the "Starship Troopers". I like it. Life at the Academy...http://youtu.be/vO_BfYP6Iv8 It's a lot like the Air Force Academy, except this appeared to be consensual. Edited August 31, 2014 by Gravedigger 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clark Griswold Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 20 lbs. brains are working on it... GPS Not Working? Try Using Lightning to Find Your Way Pentagon looks for alternatives to GPS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stitch Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 Sure... its all fun and games till this guy shows up... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17D_guy Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 The Army and Navy want this to happen already, because they feel the Air Force doesn't use resources effectively. Posted from the NEW Baseops.net App! No.. that couldn't happen. Everyone like how their internet worked today? See, resources effectively used! I'm not sure how in depth I want to get on our vulnerability mitigation, services hosted where, and the what not. I've been doing this 16 years and I'm still confused when I call a TSg "crew commander" and they tell me another service (ex. email) has moved to a different Det because they were having problems. When I was at ASBC (hold the laughs) My speech was about how Cyber needed to become it's own force if it was to be used effectively. But that's just because I want to be called a Cyberman. And blue flight suits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Learjetter Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 And blue flight suits. Like these? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
busdriver Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 There are these things called maps, just saying.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brabus Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 Psshhh, next thing you'll tell me is there's a window I can use to look outside. It's all crazy talk! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzdude Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 If you don't want to look outside you could always just fly fix to fix... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slander Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 If you don't want to look outside you could always just fly fix to fix... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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