A300 Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Hi, For example, HIANG has three squadrons under its one 154th Wing. Let's say you get picked up by the unit and they give you a C-17 slot and you go to UPT and return to fly the C-17. The question: Is it relatively easy to transfer over to a different squadron after a few years in say the C-17 if you wanted to then fly the F-22 or KC-135 for whatever reason? I understand the process of transferring different ANG units, but am confused on the protocol of changing airframes within the same unit. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theat6bisasham Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Oh yea, it's pretty easy to go from C-17's to F-22's....that's like monday morning water-cooler stuff. All that T-38 track and IFF doesn't really have much to do with anything once you get to hawaii. Good luck! see you there! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SocialD Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 If you can get sent through T-38s, it would be exponentially easier. There seems to be a few guard, heavy guys being sent through T-38s, simply because the T-1 spots are all taken. I do know of ONE guy who went through T-1s, flew tankers for a while and was subsequently given a Viper spot by another guard squadron. They sent him to Randolph for a 20ish ride course to learn to fly the 38 (not nearly enough time), then IFF. Unfortunately, things didn't work out for him in the B-course. This was a very rare case, and I would NOT count on this happening. You're doing it wrong anyway. Fly fighters while you're young, then when it's about time for your first neck/back surgery, switch to heavies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A300 Posted January 31, 2014 Author Share Posted January 31, 2014 If you can get sent through T-38s, it would be exponentially easier. There seems to be a few guard, heavy guys being sent through T-38s, simply because the T-1 spots are all taken. I do know of ONE guy who went through T-1s, flew tankers for a while and was subsequently given a Viper spot by another guard squadron. They sent him to Randolph for a 20ish ride course to learn to fly the 38 (not nearly enough time), then IFF. Unfortunately, things didn't work out for him in the B-course. This was a very rare case, and I would NOT count on this happening. You're doing it wrong anyway. Fly fighters while you're young, then when it's about time for your first neck/back surgery, switch to heavies. Thank you, that was what I was wondering. Since obviously there have been cases of pilots changing units from heavy to fighter, I would expect it would be a bit easier to change from heavy to fighter within your same Wing, rather than going changing units completely. Fighters don't really appeal to me, however, if put in a situation where flying them would eventually be obtainable, than sure, why not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TacAirCoug Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 "Easy" is a relative term here. Units have to pay for you to go through initial qual in an aircraft. Switching to another MDS means the unit has to pay for another initial qual on you AND potentially pay for the initial qual for the guy who replaces you in your old airframe. You would have the benefit of being a known quantity within the wing, but other than that, there would have to be a good reason for them to want to spend a bunch of extra money on you. Why would a unit take a fully mission qualified pilot from one airframe and essentially start over with you in another airplane? I'm sure it happens, but it's not as easy as putting different patches on your bag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Fighters don't really appeal to me, however, if put in a situation where flying them would eventually be obtainable, than sure, why not. Sure, that's how many of us who fly fighters felt about it in the days before we went to UPT. With that outlook I'd stick to heavies junior. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azimuth Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Hi, For example, HIANG has three squadrons under its one 154th Wing. Let's say you get picked up by the unit and they give you a C-17 slot and you go to UPT and return to fly the C-17. The question: Is it relatively easy to transfer over to a different squadron after a few years in say the C-17 if you wanted to then fly the F-22 or KC-135 for whatever reason? I understand the process of transferring different ANG units, but am confused on the protocol of changing airframes within the same unit. Thanks We had a -135 student who washed out of IFF (going to F-22's in the HIANG) and just joined the -135 squadron at the HIANG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicious3027 Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 We had a -135 student who washed out of IFF (going to F-22's in the HIANG) and just joined the -135 squadron at the HIANG. How a qualified pilot would wash out of IFF? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A300 Posted January 31, 2014 Author Share Posted January 31, 2014 "Easy" is a relative term here. Units have to pay for you to go through initial qual in an aircraft. Switching to another MDS means the unit has to pay for another initial qual on you AND potentially pay for the initial qual for the guy who replaces you in your old airframe. You would have the benefit of being a known quantity within the wing, but other than that, there would have to be a good reason for them to want to spend a bunch of extra money on you. Why would a unit take a fully mission qualified pilot from one airframe and essentially start over with you in another airplane? I'm sure it happens, but it's not as easy as putting different patches on your bag. Thank you for the response, this clarifies things greatly. I suppose I just wanted to know if it was "easier" to transfer entire units for transport to heavy or if it was "easier" to transfer aircraft within the same unit. Sure, that's how many of us who fly fighters felt about it in the days before we went to UPT. With that outlook I'd stick to heavies junior. Gladly! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matmacwc Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 (edited) How a qualified pilot would wash out of IFF? Because you are unable to use the aircraft to kill other aircraft or stuff on the ground. It isn't point A to B. Edited February 1, 2014 by matmacwc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azimuth Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 How a qualified pilot would wash out of IFF? We also had a kid wash out of the F-16 RTU and join a -135 Guard unit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobs Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 Biggest problem is living in Hawaii. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A300 Posted February 1, 2014 Author Share Posted February 1, 2014 Biggest problem is living in Hawaii. Not if you already live there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimpleJack Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 Ive been trying to get in touch with someone at the 154th Wing regarding UPT boards with no luck. Called about half a dozen numbers trying to reach someone in officer ascensions only to find answering machines. Does anyone happen to have a POC that they can PM me. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A300 Posted February 7, 2014 Author Share Posted February 7, 2014 Ive been trying to get in touch with someone at the 154th Wing regarding UPT boards with no luck. Called about half a dozen numbers trying to reach someone in officer ascensions only to find answering machines. Does anyone happen to have a POC that they can PM me. Thanks PM me your email and I'll hook you up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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