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@admdelta, YMMV, but I've gotten the impression that waivers up to 32 aren't considered as big of a deal, but you'll start to get fewer and fewer squadrons (especially fighters) seem that they want to mess with them over that age. 

At the end of the day, it's totally up to the squadron, so it's worth just applying anyway and let them tell you what they're willing to do. Worst they'll do is say no and you're out a little work of putting the application together, but at least you know for sure. 

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Thanks everyone for the information. I just turned 30 a few days ago, and will be putting together a package and sending it out. It’s reassuring to know that waivers are a possibility. I would love fighters, but who wouldn’t, they are awesome. 

As soon as I get done with the AFOQT, TBAS, and PCSM I’ll know where I stand. Studying hard so that I can get the highest scores possible on the first try. I have a non STEM degree (Finance) with a less than stellar gpa, so I want to shoot for above 80 on all the AFOQT sections to account for that. I’m also going to start flight training soon, ideally I want to submit my package with the private and instrument certificates done to give myself the best chance possible. 

I also don’t know a single person in the Air Force, I’m in So Cal, so hopefully that doesn’t hurt me too much. I’ll of course be willing to relocate.  Anyways, love the forum, great information and it’s awesome to hear the success stories. 

 

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On 8/22/2018 at 3:37 PM, lavid2002 said:

Heard I didn't get an interview for the 177th ANG in NJ today. 

No formal email or phone call yet though. 

How do you know that u didn't get an interview then?

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IMHO the best way to get a unit to push an age waiver package is for them to pick you in the first place. And for that to happen, they really need to know you. Not just a random package arriving in the mail. You really have to invest time and money hanging out with the squadron and getting to know them and them to know you for a unit wanting to stick their neck out for the waiver. They have to consciously decide that a 30 yr old is a better option than the 22 yr old. And if you guys look the same on paper, the unit will absolutely choose the younger option. Just my guess.

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44 minutes ago, Deuce362 said:

Do they normally tell everyone at one time or is it sometimes spread out over a week or so?

Every board is different.

some contact everyone same day, others tell invitees first then later everyone else, some only communicate to the invitees and silence is your answer.

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I asked a fighter who was standing near an F16 at the William J. Hughes Technical Center if he knew when the invitations would be going out. He said he wasn't on the boards but took my phone number and asked around when he went back to base. I got a text later in the day. I heard the 177th sends emails and phone calls out either way (Interview or not) I haven't heard formally yet. I'll get my CPL and apply again next year. Getting older though. I'l be 28 in April.

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On 8/22/2018 at 12:40 AM, Adamw412 said:

Last week I got a big fat no for the 176/168th dual upt board in Alaska. To old, to low of a PCSM score. 

Par for the course for them. They seem unwilling to pursue age waivers. 

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39 minutes ago, 08Dawg said:

Par for the course for them. They seem unwilling to pursue age waivers. 

Does anyone know how often/how many 60 pilots they hire on a board? 

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1 hour ago, Cork said:

Does anyone know how often/how many 60 pilots they hire on a board? 

Probably not a statistic anyone tracks.  From the visits I have done and various units iv was in contact with while rushing, very few units have prior 60 drivers.  The unit that hired me, I’m pretty sure I’m the first Army RW guy to ever get hired.

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5 hours ago, 08Dawg said:

Par for the course for them. They seem unwilling to pursue age waivers. 

Why would they? It might be happening but, just to remind everyone here, it's the exception, not the rule. So, unless your application is really awesome, most unit's probably aren't going to pursue one.

Scores really aren't enough on their own, either. When we get 100 applications, I would say at least half of them have really good scores. So now I need to find another way to pick 12 or so people to invite to an interview. So I read through maybe the top 20 or so based on scores, GPA, maybe some other factors, and really try to figure out what kind of person you are by reading your cover letter, your letters of recommendation, and seeing what you have accomplished over the years. Then, we'll narrow it down to a dozen people or so and send out invites.

My best advice is to try and find a way to make your application stand out and grab my attention. I honestly dont care how it's prepared but it should be neat and orderly, but no need to spend much money on it. It sucks when reading through the top 20 applications and they all read the same. Good scores, good GPA, and guess what? All letters of recommendation sound the same.

When reading your cover letter, I honestly don't care what you type about why you want to fly with us. It could all just be bullshit that you just researched online the night before. I think it'd be awesome to see a cover letter, in bullet format, telling me about all the cool things you have done, the stuff the doesn't have a place on a resume. The stories you would tell your bros over a beer. And don't be a douche.

These are all random thoughts after having a few beers. I encourage everyone to keep applying, no matter the odds. Age waivers are not common and I wouldn't expect a Squadron to be willing to work one, but you never know. You're application is really going to have to stand out and even then it's still a long shot. Use this information to make the best decision you can if you want to get in this business. Maybe the UPT ship has sailed, but there are other options out there that can still be pretty cool.

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5 hours ago, Kenny Powers said:

The stories you would tell your bros over a beer. 

My favorite story to tell my bros over a beer is about the time I had a drink unjustifiably thrown in my face by a girl at a lesbian bar. It’s a hilarious yarn. Should I replace my cover letter with this story? Serious question. I’m getting so tired of rejection letters despite my stats that I’m willing to try a Hail Mary just once. 

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8 hours ago, admdelta said:

My favorite story to tell my bros over a beer is about the time I had a drink unjustifiably thrown in my face by a girl at a lesbian bar. It’s a hilarious yarn. Should I replace my cover letter with this story? Serious question. I’m getting so tired of rejection letters despite my stats that I’m willing to try a Hail Mary just once. 

Maybe it’s not your stats that is the issue. Most units are looking at the whole person. Maybe you don’t interview well or not a fit with the units you’ve interviewed with. Try to learn something from each interview, ask for feedback, and try to improve on the areas where they felt you had a shortfall. Look internally and see what you can do to improve. 

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9 hours ago, admdelta said:

My favorite story to tell my bros over a beer is about the time I had a drink unjustifiably thrown in my face by a girl at a lesbian bar. It’s a hilarious yarn. Should I replace my cover letter with this story? Serious question. I’m getting so tired of rejection letters despite my stats that I’m willing to try a Hail Mary just once. 

Maybe save the "Been rejected by a lesbian in a lesbian bar" story for when you are actually having beers.

You can PM me if you need feedback. I have reviewed your application in the past.

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21 minutes ago, herkbum said:

Maybe it’s not your stats that is the issue. Most units are looking at the whole person. Maybe you don’t interview well or not a fit with the units you’ve interviewed with. Try to learn something from each interview, ask for feedback, and try to improve on the areas where they felt you had a shortfall. Look internally and see what you can do to improve. 

I’ve never gotten an interview. 😕

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