Stoker Posted May 3, 2017 Share Posted May 3, 2017 3 hours ago, Herk Driver said: Just dug up the info today. For the upcoming AFRC board, packages were due 28 April. There is a new AFRC UPT process guidebook that was published on 1 March 17. Thanks. My recruiter sent my package in on May 1, so hopefully I don't miss this round. He didn't seem to think there was a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryleypav Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 On 5/1/2017 at 1:53 PM, Edw26 said: I sent emails to two different contacts over there and haven't yet gotten a response. If you get it let me know and I'll do the same. Just got an email today from them. Did you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edw26 Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 4 hours ago, ryleypav said: Just got an email today from them. Did you? Yep. Was going to post the same. Thanks for the follow-up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mb1685 Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 (edited) Anyone have any insight on the minimum PCSM score and/or minimum amount of flight time it takes for a fighter unit to consider you (assuming the rest of your package is high quality)? I'll have 21 hours next week and a PCSM of 80, but that's all I'll be able to afford for a really long time. Obviously I'm going to apply for the boards that interest me no matter what, but do guys without PPLs (at a minimum) and 90+ PCSM scores really stand much of a chance? Edited May 5, 2017 by mb1685 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mb1685 Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Kiloalpha said:  The official line is that it's a whole person concept. However, I noticed a huge jump in interviews when I crested 90 on my PCSM. I also tried to get time in different aircraft. Have you retaken the TBAS? Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network Forums  Yep, I retook it last week and my score went up 8 points. I've also taken the AFOQT twice so I'll have to live with my current Pilot score of 92. Since I'm not following a structured PPL curriculum, I've tried to diversify aircraft experience a little bit too. I've got some time in Skyhawks, Tomahawks, and Katanas. Edited May 5, 2017 by mb1685 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bauwse Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 56 minutes ago, mb1685 said: but do guys without PPLs (at a minimum) and 90+ PCSM scores really stand much of a chance? I interviewed and made friends with some folks on the trail last year. The only ones hired had PPLs and the others were told to get their PPL and apply again next year. One friend gets invited to every interview but doesn't have a PPL so he doesn't stack up to the competition in the final decision. The other friend went to an interview with a unit that had an "algorithm" and they disqualified him because he (at the time) didn't have a PPL... even though he was their favorite candidate! Anecdotal evidence but I hope I'm wrong. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crosswind Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 From a guy who got hired a few years ago, and has sat as a member of a hiring board a word on the PCSM and PPL. 1 - The PCSM is an aggregate test produced by the Air Force.  A few years ago the AF did an assessment of it's value.  Roughly, your final PCSM equates to your percentage chance of making it through UPT.  I.E if you got a 92 PCSM, you have a 92% chance of graduating.  If you're a 70 PCSM, what's your chances?  2 - We're making an investment in you.  Not necessarily a financial one, but a timeline one. We need you back in a little over 2+ years. Your PCSM, hours, PPL are a small part of our mental equation of you achieving that timeline (or graduating period) for us. 3 - I didn't have a PPL when I got hired, some did.  It probably helps, but is not necessarily required. Most units don't want a financial barrier and or burden predicated on their membership. However, it raises your PCSM, shows you have been introduced to flying and enjoy it enough to continue. 4 - In summary, maybe your PCSM is good enough, maybe your hour rating/PPL is good enough.  Consider this - Is there somebody I want to get hired more than me? If not, then why are you letting them have a better packet than you?  Best of luck! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FoxtrotNovemberGolf Posted May 8, 2017 Share Posted May 8, 2017 On 5/6/2017 at 9:42 PM, Crosswind said: 1 - The PCSM is an aggregate test produced by the Air Force. Â A few years ago the AF did an assessment of it's value. Â Roughly, your final PCSM equates to your percentage chance of making it through UPT. Â I.E if you got a 92 PCSM, you have a 92% chance of graduating. Â If you're a 70 PCSM, what's your chances? Pilot Candidate Selection Method: Still an Effective Predictor of US Air Force Pilot Training Performance, Thomas R. Carretta, 2011 (behind a paywall, I was able to get to it via my alma mater) US Air Force Pilot Selection and Training Methods, Thomas R. Carretta, 2000 (in dtic.mil) Â Â Â 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topdeadcenter Posted May 8, 2017 Share Posted May 8, 2017 3 hours ago, FoxtrotNovemberGolf said: Pilot Candidate Selection Method: Still an Effective Predictor of US Air Force Pilot Training Performance, Thomas R. Carretta, 2011 (behind a paywall, I was able to get to it via my alma mater) US Air Force Pilot Selection and Training Methods, Thomas R. Carretta, 2000 (in dtic.mil) Â Â Â I have a hard time believing the PCSM is that cosmic of a predictor. The first time I took the TBAS I got a 69 and the second time I got like a 96 and the only reason why was because I knew what was coming... Idk, just my .02 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mb1685 Posted May 8, 2017 Share Posted May 8, 2017 28 minutes ago, topdeadcenter said: I have a hard time believing the PCSM is that cosmic of a predictor. The first time I took the TBAS I got a 69 and the second time I got like a 96 and the only reason why was because I knew what was coming... Idk, just my .02 Was that pre-2013? That's probably why they updated the algorithm to weigh flight hours so heavily. It does seem to make more sense for flight time to be a much more significant predictor of success than mainly just the AFOQT and the TBAS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FoxtrotNovemberGolf Posted May 8, 2017 Share Posted May 8, 2017 This is Carretta's most recent research. He's using the data collected from the MFS cognitive tests. It's also comparing SUPT bases, T-1 vs T-38 track. This paper is full of interesting info. http://www.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTRDoc?AD=ADA608732 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobsan Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 (edited) 19 hours ago, FoxtrotNovemberGolf said: This is Carretta's most recent research. He's using the data collected from the MFS cognitive tests. It's also comparing SUPT bases, T-1 vs T-38 track. This paper is full of interesting info. http://www.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTRDoc?AD=ADA608732 This is his most recent. More useful for aviators having to retake MAB and NEO tests to resume flying status, but it's interesting to see the baseline mil pilot character traits. If anyone needs to see it without access to a school or research account let me know http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/asma/amhp/2016/00000087/00000009/art00003 Edited May 9, 2017 by Bobsan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edw26 Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 Just in case anyone missed it, 158th FW (VT F-35s) interview non-select notices went out yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumper Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 2 hours ago, Edw26 said: Just in case anyone missed it, 158th FW (VT F-35s) interview non-select notices went out yesterday. Paper mail notifications? Â Any idea when the interview selects will be notified? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sit On Acorns Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 Everyone was emailed this past weekend, both selected and not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edw26 Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 9 minutes ago, jumper said: Paper mail notifications? Â Any idea when the interview selects will be notified? No idea. I got an email saying I wasn't selected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumper Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 Strange, USPS confirmed my application was delivered, but didn't receive any notification this past weekend. Will have to give them a call.  Thanks for the clarifications! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billikir000 Posted May 11, 2017 Share Posted May 11, 2017 Did anyone apply to the Knoxville, TN unit the 134th Air Refueling Wing and get an interview, the deadline for the packet was back in March? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sit On Acorns Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 On 4/20/2017 at 8:32 PM, Elliott Upp said: Anybody hear anything from Hawaii ANG?  Application deadline was April 1st. I haven't heard anything from them yet. Interview invites went out via email yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND15 Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 Hey all, Anybody know when the 167th of West Virginia will have another board? Â Regards, Rob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND15 Posted May 21, 2017 Share Posted May 21, 2017 11 hours ago, jonlbs said: http://www.167aw.ang.af.mil/Units/Careers/ 304-616-5369 Honestly if I didn't have like 50 other boards on my plate I'd call and ask. But ya that's the officer recruiters number, Master Sgt Rhodes, just give him (oops I assumed gender... the training didn't work) a call and just ask if they are having a board. Yet to meet a mean recruiter and I've found some places have boards and don't advertise them as well as others so. Good Luck. Thank you for that sir.  I will give him/her a call on Monday.  Now, just have to focus on the AFOQT. Regards, Rob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topdeadcenter Posted May 21, 2017 Share Posted May 21, 2017 Charleston, SC (reserve) are accepting apps for the C-17. Charlotte, NC will be accepting apps soon for the C-17. You gotta put the leg work in, I don't have any other info than that. Good luck 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FoxtrotNovemberGolf Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 Anybody have updates on the following? I would think that there would be more activity at this point since selections for slots or interviews should have happened at this point...is everyone just too shy to post? CA F-15s - selections should have happened SD F-16s -Â selections should have happened DC F-16Â -Â selections should have happened VT, HI, & SC interview selects should have happened Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustHangingOut Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 2 minutes ago, Kiloalpha said: CA - Done. Reject/Selection e-mails were sent. SD - Done. Reject/Selection letters were sent. DC - Still waiting for final selection/rejection. VT - Interviews are next week. HI - Interviews are next week. SC - Still waiting to hear who got interviews. thanks for the updates! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FoxtrotNovemberGolf Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 Thanks for the info. I'm wishing people who got some good news would say something. It's fun to read about and see if there's any inside information like there has been in past years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now