Grabby Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 So, anybody? Furthermore, do any of you see moral/ethical dilemmas in doing so? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sky_king Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 At the rate America is going, I may have to join Texas as well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M2 Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 That's why I'm already here! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HU&W Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 All I know is that if the nation ever does crumble, California will be the new North Korea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vertigo Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 The wife and I are moving to Australia upon my retirement (which keeps moving to the right- I'm a glutton for punishment). But I haven't put hardly any thought as to whether or not I'll give up my citizenship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HU&W Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 If I remember right, if you give up your citizenship, you lose your military retirement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Majestik Møøse Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 All I know is that if the nation ever does crumble, California will be the new North Korea. Nah, weather's too nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zach braff Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 I probably wouldn't give up my citizenship, but I could definitely see myself leaving the states and not coming back someday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pitts2112 Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 I stayed on in the UK as a civilian for 12 years after getting out. Had a great time there. Got dual citizenship just for the convenience factor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bergman Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 Not only no, but hell no. We've got our problems but from what I've seen of the rest of the planet (albeit a relatively small sampling), we've got it made. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FUSEPLUG Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 After extended TDY's to Germany and the "German Chicks in Dirndls and Beer" thread, I always thought a small farmhouse in Bavaria would be a great retirement. Then I wake up and realize Europe is as equally fooked, if not moreso, than we are in the States. Sechs one way, half a dozen the other... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Learjetter Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 I'm not serving 22+ years to turn my back on the greatest nation on Earth. The only one born of the love of Liberty, the one whose Constitution I've sworn to protect and defend. My loyalties run deeper than my irritation at our current Congress, Administration, and Court. That said, I may get a Condo in Costa Rica, just for fun and to stretch my retirement $$. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Texan Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 My wife is Thai, so I'll have a house there. I'll split my time between Thailand, Palau, and visiting family/friends in Texas. Spent 7 months in Palau. It's the only country the U.S. has a compact of free association with. We can go there for 1 year no questions asked, and their citizens can stay here indefinitely and serve in our military. Best kept secret in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toro Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 Strength in numbers. - I'm going to move next door to M2. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeA10 Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 Yeah, but do we build a wall at the Red River to keep all the troublemakers out? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catbox Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 http://www.economist.com/node/21541391 http://beforeitsnews.com/libertarian/2013/05/the-blank-slate-state-2503384.html For a nutty but thouroghly committed liberatarian like myself, these "free cities" hold some real promise. If they do end up panning out (I have my doubts the the governments involved will keep thier promises to keep out) I will at the very least spend some of my time in one of these places. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pintail21 Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 I've been looking into it a lot. Granted I have the better part of a decade left on my commitment but hey it never hurts to dream, hell that's the only way to stay sane in some communities. I haven't looked into dropping citizenship but I've read a lot of articles lately about more americans doing it to avoid paying double taxes, and some americans abroad who are having serious issues getting banks to even take their money because the new tax laws are so complicated the foreign banks don't want to deal with it. There are a lot of countries where gringos can live like kings, english is common, health care is cheaper with a similar 1st world quality, everything you could want a cheap flight away, and the women flock to you like the salmon of Capistrano. Granted there are some drawbacks but I've met a ton of civilian expats who are living the dream too. I can think of worse ways to spend your time than living abroad in a tropical locale with the option to come home whenever you want. Costa Rica or Clovis? Minot or Belize? Cambodia or Creech? Holloman or Hong Kong? I will say don't forget about looking into property ownership laws. A lot of countries won't let foreigners own real estate, but there are a lot of 99 year leases too. http://www.expatforum.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSSRShot Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 (edited) I thought about it...once. But then Ron Swanson spoke: Edited October 8, 2013 by TSSRShot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itsokimapilot Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 http://www.economist.com/node/21541391 http://beforeitsnews...te-2503384.html For a nutty but thouroghly committed liberatarian like myself, these "free cities" hold some real promise. If they do end up panning out (I have my doubts the the governments involved will keep thier promises to keep out) I will at the very least spend some of my time in one of these places. I was stationed at Soto Cano for a year. Honduras is an awesome, but dangerous place to live. I would never live where they are talking about building these cities. You'd probably be much safer setting up a town in Camp Bastion or FOB Shank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy29 Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 I'll be in Pattaya drinking Singha with Graham and Moon at the Wild Chicken. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trogdor Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 Yeah, but do we build a wall at the Red River to keep all the troublemakers out? Nah.... maybe build a wall somewhere else because the rest of the Midwest would follow Texas if needed.... being from the Midwest (or heartland as some call it...aka not Ohio midwest) myself... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catbox Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 (edited) I was stationed at Soto Cano for a year. Honduras is an awesome, but dangerous place to live. I would never live where they are talking about building these cities. You'd probably be much safer setting up a town in Camp Bastion or FOB Shank. Yeah definitely something that has to be worked out, the Honduran free city idea was a little shaky because they were leaving security to the Honduran Gov't, like you said probably not a good idea. I believe John Mackey (founder of Whole Foods and a pretty committed classic liberal) also has a free city idea that he'd like to get going in Costa Rica where they citizens would be solely responsible for their own security. Both may be dangerous to start but my rational brain tells me that once these places are up and going, the crime and poverty that's so endemic would start to fade away. Edited October 9, 2013 by Catbox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HU&W Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 If you're looking at South/Central America, Costa Rica would be my #1 pick for an expat/holiday/bugout location. Beautiful, relatively safe and secure vs all the other options, and it has a good economy that's not completely dependent on the drug trade. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Techsan Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 I think I would choose Creech over Cambodia. Have you ever been there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SurelySerious Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 I think I would choose Creech over Cambodia. Have you ever been there? Have you seen Creech? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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