HercDude Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 Had a pretty in-depth CC Call this morning to discus the future of the legacy fleet. Most of this has already been mentioned earlier in this thread, but I figured I'd consolidate what I heard from a credible source here. This is what I heard is current as of today (and could get thrown out the window tomorrow): - 52nd (Peterson) & 30th (Cheyenne) TFIs will be left alone, but do not increase. - 537th? (Alaska) & 53rd (LRAFB) will close. - There will be one combat-coded TFI (62nd?) at Little Rock. - Pope & Yokota will transition to the J within the next couple years. - The J model pipeline can't even begin to handle the 4 squadron's worth of legacy personnel that will shortly be out of work. Legacy guys should not expect to transition to Js. - Guys on their first assignment can expect to crossflow to AFSOC, go to a white jet, or an RPA. - Guys on their second assignment can expect an AMLO gig (possibly flying), a white jet, or an RPA; outside shot at PHOENIX program, OSA, etc. - Third assignment guys can expect an AMLO assignment (non-flying) or staff, with little chance to return to the cockpit unless identified for a CC or DO billet. - Although many H3s are being freed up and dispersed into AFRC & ANG, don't expect new TFIs (other than the one at LRAFB) to stand up in the next 1-2 years. We didn't discuss what guys currently in the training pipeline will do. My personal opinion: I fully expect lots of shitty deals for guys currently in the legacy community. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LockheedFix Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 I think the 50th is going to be the TFI unit at KLRF. I hadn't heard Yokota will get Js that soon...interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hueypilot Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 I hadn't heard Yokota will get Js that soon...interesting. "A couple of years" is relative...the 61st won't see their first J till late in FY13, unless it slid further to FY14. With the ACC/AFSOC J-model build-up its been taking AMC J-model squadrons 2ish years to acquire all their PAA airframes. I wouldn't expect Yokota to get a J until FY16 at the earliest, given that DoD has a huge target on its budget right now. The 50th will more than likely be the LRF TFI unit. I've heard distant rumors that the 314th may gain a second J-model FTU squadron in the future, but who knows. They can barely handle the PFT from the current level of AMC/AFSOC/ACC/International students. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HercDude Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 I wouldn't expect Yokota to get a J until FY16 at the earliest, given that DoD has a huge target on its budget right now. Now that I think about it that's probably what we got briefed. I think the message though was that if you have a year or more left on station now, the chances of getting a PCS there while they spin up to Js is pretty slim. Maybe a viable option for guys going there in the next year or two though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berry Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 Had a pretty in-depth CC Call this morning to discus the future of the legacy fleet. Little known fact: ACC still owns legacy Herks that won't be transitioning to Js. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeatherManC130 Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 Little known fact: ACC still owns legacy Herks that won't be transitioning to Js. Are you talking about the EC-130? The rumor mill said that these were going away soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
backseatdriver Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 Are you talking about the EC-130? The rumor mill said that these were going away soon. Replaced by? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LockheedFix Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 Replaced by? I'm guessing it rhymes with "schmar-pee-ay". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf424 Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 I'm guessing it rhymes with "schmar-pee-ay". Oh, I see what you did there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berry Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 Are you talking about the EC-130? The rumor mill said that these were going away soon. Sources please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoadClear Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 Sources please? +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeatherManC130 Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 Sources please? Like I said, I heard it through the rumor mill from a guy that works at the wing. Probably someone who is at DM could shed some more light on the matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Champ Kind Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 from a guy that works at the wing. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spinner Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 Little known fact: ACC still owns legacy Herks that won't be transitioning to Js. PRANG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amcflyboy Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 PRANG PRANG is AMC that will never let go of the ACC patch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spinner Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 They must still be looking for that Viper... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lloyd christmas Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 They must still be looking for that Viper... Is there any truth to that story? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spinner Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 That's the story I was given when I did CO a few years back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf424 Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 from a guy that works at the wing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapter29 Posted March 13, 2013 Share Posted March 13, 2013 Looks like Lt Gen Moeller's working group is releasing their results. More announcements expected today.... http://www.airforcetimes.com/news/2013/03/airforce-airlift-web-031313/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stebanez Posted March 14, 2013 Share Posted March 14, 2013 I gathered from yesterday's announcement that closure and redistribution of Keesler's 815th AS J models to Dobbins or Pope (or elsewhere) is off the table for the next two years. Anybody hear or see differently? http://www.airforcetimes.com/news/2013/03/air-force-32-airlifters-in-8-states-spared-budget-ax-c130s-031313w/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disgruntledemployee Posted March 14, 2013 Share Posted March 14, 2013 Times story was hard to follow. AF News lists it better. Besides, LR doesn't have an 18th AW (sorry AF Times, you suck. Get someone that can write). http://www.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123340013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JakeFSU Posted March 14, 2013 Share Posted March 14, 2013 Times story was hard to follow. AF News lists it better. Besides, LR doesn't have an 18th AW (sorry AF Times, you suck. Get someone that can write). http://www.af.mil/ne...sp?id=123340013 The AF News articles describes the retained aircraft as backup aircraft. This may be a stupid question. But, what exactly does "backup" mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 14, 2013 Share Posted March 14, 2013 Probably means Backup Aircraft Inventory. BAI are aircraft in addition to the primary (funded) aircraft. In theory, backup aircraft inventory allow for DLM/UDLM, modifications, etc without reducing the number of aircraft available for the mission. If a sqdn has 14 primary and one backup; crew ratios, flying hours, etc are based on 14 aircraft. But the backup is flown just like a primary aircraft, all transparent to the crew dogs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiefSlapahoe Posted March 14, 2013 Share Posted March 14, 2013 Anybody heard anything new based off this announcement on what they're going to do with the current legacy and in/soon-to-be training studs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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