Kilgore Trout Posted March 14, 2013 Share Posted March 14, 2013 The AF News articles describes the retained aircraft as backup aircraft. This may be a stupid question. But, what exactly does "backup" mean? Doc said it right above. You notice this most at the UPT bases with the T-38s. A normal UPT base will have a PAI (Primary Aircraft Inventory) of 45 T-38s while they have 96 total sitting on the ramp. Most of the rest are kept in BAI. This allows aircraft to go through phase and what not at high flying hour/sortie count bases without an interruption in training. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TacAirCoug Posted March 14, 2013 Share Posted March 14, 2013 (edited) "Finally, in addition to the aircraft allocated to units affected by president's 2013 budget, the Air Force also added aircraft to enhance mission effectiveness. The following aircraft will also be back-up aircraft: - Two aircraft to 22nd Air Force Det. 1, Little Rock AFB - One aircraft to 19th Airlift Wing, Little Rock AFB - One aircraft to 152nd Airlift Wing, Reno, Nev. - One aircraft to 165th Airlift Wing, Savannah, Ga. - One aircraft to 166th Airlift Wing, New Castle, Del. - One aircraft to 182nd Airlift Wing, Peoria, Ill. - Two aircraft to 189th Airlift Wing, Little Rock AFB - One aircraft to 302nd Airlift Wing, Colorado Springs, Colo. " So where are these 10 tails coming from? Edited March 14, 2013 by TacAirCoug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fifty-six & Two Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 Anybody heard anything new based off this announcement on what they're going to do with the current legacy and in/soon-to-be training studs? Nothing yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disgruntledemployee Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 "Finally, in addition to the aircraft allocated to units affected by president's 2013 budget, the Air Force also added aircraft to enhance mission effectiveness. The following aircraft will also be back-up aircraft: - Two aircraft to 22nd Air Force Det. 1, Little Rock AFB - One aircraft to 19th Airlift Wing, Little Rock AFB - One aircraft to 152nd Airlift Wing, Reno, Nev. - One aircraft to 165th Airlift Wing, Savannah, Ga. - One aircraft to 166th Airlift Wing, New Castle, Del. - One aircraft to 182nd Airlift Wing, Peoria, Ill. - Two aircraft to 189th Airlift Wing, Little Rock AFB - One aircraft to 302nd Airlift Wing, Colorado Springs, Colo. " So where are these 10 tails coming from? Most likely part of a large reshuffling. H1s and H3s from LR need to go somewhere. Det 1 and 189th will likely get H2s as that is what they have. 302 and 182 fly H3s so that is probably what they will get. That working group that the AF Times article referred to probably pulled out the ol map of US of A and played shuffle-the-Herk until they were happy with the Picasso. In the end, the ANG and AFRC got to keep a bunch of planes and the associated units, so its an overall win for them. Active side cuts the rope and starts divesting itself of H active units, except for the few TFI units (for now). 189th will start taking over the H schoolhouse and AD will augment. Cats and dogs started sleeping with each other. Anybody heard anything new based off this announcement on what they're going to do with the current legacy and in/soon-to-be training studs? My guess: If you are LR, tough to say. If you are in training, there is a chance of being redirected (I'm not a decision-maker and I don't know any numbers). Those close to grad are completing initial and moving to their units. There is still a war on and someone still needs to deploy and there are not enough J's to clean out AFG. The LR reductions will likely be effective in 18 months. One thing I will say is that if you are in the pipeline, those that suck the least may be better at surviving any potential cuts (redirected). That is the only thing you have control over. And that has always been true regardless of the times. So no, nothing has changed. Out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lloyd christmas Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 189th will start taking over the H schoolhouse and AD will augment. First crew goes to the 62 on April 15. One crew per month after that. Latest word anyway... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TacAirCoug Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 Most likely part of a large reshuffling. H1s and H3s from LR need to go somewhere. Det 1 and 189th will likely get H2s as that is what they have. 302 and 182 fly H3s so that is probably what they will get. That working group that the AF Times article referred to probably pulled out the ol map of US of A and played shuffle-the-Herk until they were happy with the Picasso. In the end, the ANG and AFRC got to keep a bunch of planes and the associated units, so its an overall win for them. Active side cuts the rope and starts divesting itself of H active units, except for the few TFI units (for now). 189th will start taking over the H schoolhouse and AD will augment. Cats and dogs started sleeping with each other. I'm well aware of all of that, my point was that some unit or combination of units is/are still losing 10 airplanes in the redistribution. Who drew the short straw(s)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LockheedFix Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 First crew goes to the 62 on April 15. One crew per month after that. Latest word anyway... Meaning 189th guys are going to be flying with the 62d during the transition? Along with 22AF? That place is going to be a jumbled mess for awhile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hueypilot Posted March 16, 2013 Share Posted March 16, 2013 That place is going to be a jumbled mess for awhile. Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoadClear Posted March 16, 2013 Share Posted March 16, 2013 Any idea what this might mean for the ANG/AFRC H model work load? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disgruntledemployee Posted March 16, 2013 Share Posted March 16, 2013 I'm well aware of all of that, my point was that some unit or combination of units is/are still losing 10 airplanes in the redistribution. Who drew the short straw(s)? While I haven't seen a piece of paper that lists the overall changes, AD drew the short straw. LR gives up all its active duty H1s and H3s. That is more than 10, but in the larger reshuffle, the net result is no AD Hs at LR, only AD Js and ANG/AFRC H2s. I hear Pope will go Js so there is your likely source of H2s. Perhaps there were some planned retirements that are now delayed in those numbers. Lastly, if you are interested in a particular unit, just ask them as they may know more. I'm just CSI-ing this from some news stories, rumors, CC calls, and what was passed last year. PS, if you are in a unit likely affected by this and not hearing anything, that's fucked up. Out Any idea what this might mean for the ANG/AFRC H model work load? What kind of work load? I did hear that many units cut their flying hours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf424 Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 Heard from our CC during a commander's call the other day that due to the reshuffling of the H, those expecting/trying to go J shouldn't hold their breath on getting a J slot. They are going to be few and far between (unless you are a fairly new guy already in the 61st or possible the 2nd) Expect a lot of white jets/UAVs/MC-12s/a few spec ops for assignments the next couple years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dream big Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 Heard from our CC during a commander's call the other day that due to the reshuffling of the H, those expecting/trying to go J shouldn't hold their breath on getting a J slot. They are going to be few and far between (unless you are a fairly new guy already in the 61st or possible the 2nd) Expect a lot of white jets/UAVs/MC-12s/a few spec ops for assignments the next couple years. Well...sh*t. Thanks for the memo. So much for wanting to grow in the 130 community. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC5Wes Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 Is this a complete list of bases affected? An old coworker told me the 103rd at Gramby is losing their C-21s and getting 130s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
135ASelect Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 Is this a complete list of bases affected? An old coworker told me the 103rd at Gramby is losing their C-21s and getting 130s. Yes, the 103rd along with the 179th at Mansfield are getting H2s. Two of the 6 C-27J bases are keeping a tac airlift mission. Meridian is going back to the 135, the 135th AS MDANG is deactivating, the NDAK ANG is still up in the air along with Battle Creek and Great Falls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amcflyboy Posted March 18, 2013 Share Posted March 18, 2013 Correct with CTANG(103rd)...they are getting some of Niagara's birds because they are deactivating the ANG squadron at Niagara and thus reducing the PAA. I heard that the 135th at MDANG is turning into a Cyber Command unit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STR1CK Posted March 18, 2013 Share Posted March 18, 2013 What a mess. Good luck trying to crew all those new units. Are the proposed TFI unit's that haven't stood up yet still going to happen?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duece123 Posted March 26, 2013 Share Posted March 26, 2013 Any more gouge on what is going to happen with ip school? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Champ Kind Posted March 26, 2013 Share Posted March 26, 2013 You'll get hooked at least once, Enjoy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spinner Posted March 26, 2013 Share Posted March 26, 2013 You'll get hooked at least once, Enjoy True... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duece123 Posted March 26, 2013 Share Posted March 26, 2013 You'll get hooked at least once, Enjoy No, I mean what is happening to the school house. Is the ANG unit going to run both qual and ip schoolhouses? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polcat Posted March 26, 2013 Share Posted March 26, 2013 Word on the street is yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hueypilot Posted March 29, 2013 Share Posted March 29, 2013 Eventually the IP course will be sim-only, like the C-130J. It'll take a couple years to wind up at that end state. Meanwhile, starting this summer the ANG will start sending crews down to the FTU. As they pick up the FTU, they'll gradually stop doing the IP course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luis_COA Posted April 26, 2013 Share Posted April 26, 2013 Does anyone have any new information in this? Just about to finish training and was wondering what to expect when I check into my unit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hueypilot Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 What unit are you in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luis_COA Posted April 29, 2013 Share Posted April 29, 2013 Going to the 53rd. I think we are going away. I am looking for a timeline or any new info. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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